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The Cult of Mary
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Posted on 08/16/2023 6:39:10 AM PDT by zucchini bob

(2 Peter 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (Isaiah 28:10) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:13) But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ecumenism; Ministry/Outreach
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To: Elsie
With the house of Israel. The new covenant is here mentioned as being made with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, since it was first offered to these two houses (Jer. 31:31–34). When the Jews turned down their religious privileges, “the kingdom of God” was taken from them (see on Matt. 21:33–43). The Christian church is the inheritor of the spiritual privileges and responsibilities that once belonged to literal Israel

SDA Bible Commentary Hebrews 8

2,141 posted on 09/09/2023 6:24:03 AM PDT by Philsworld (Eccl 12:13 ...Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. )
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To: ealgeone
Well it's what IS in scripture I was asking about...
Mary had a Sister named Mary?
Is your belief not strong enough to assent to what is written?

That is the card on the table...


2,142 posted on 09/09/2023 7:23:45 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (Jer 17 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it"?)
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To: Elsie

I saw this “video” of John MacArthur titled “Understanding the Sabbath”. I can’t believe the guy calls himself a Pastor/Minister of God. Almost guaranteed that if he is alive at the end, when the MOTB is enforced, he will gladly receive it, and make another video telling all of his congregation, or anyone who will listen, to do the same. (I was searching for videos on the New Covenant, which he mentions in his video).

https://youtu.be/WVpTf2HBz1A

Elsie, this video isn’t for you....Nooooooooooo!, because I know you don’t “do” videos.

Just pass it along to METMOM. JM is one of her guys.

Remember, no New Covenant, no heaven.


2,143 posted on 09/09/2023 7:33:05 AM PDT by Philsworld (Eccl 12:13 ...Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. )
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To: dfwgator
I was hoping no one would remember that show...
Thanks for the help...not...
2,144 posted on 09/09/2023 7:40:07 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (Jer 17 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it"?)
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To: MurphsLaw
If she had one....so what?

It wouldn't alter anything in the NT regarding Joseph and Mary having kids on their own.

2,145 posted on 09/09/2023 8:48:37 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MurphsLaw
Mary was a common female name in Israel during the time of Christ. The New Testament mentions six different women with the name Mary. The Hebrew form of the name is Miriam (or Miryam), given to the sister of Moses.

The best-known Mary in the Bible is Mary the mother of Jesus. She was the virgin chosen by God to bear His Son, the Savior of the world. Mary lived in Nazareth, a city of Galilee, when the angel Gabriel made the announcement to her of the virgin birth (Luke 1:26, 56). She married Joseph, a carpenter, but remained a virgin until after Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 1:25). Scripture reveals Mary as a humble, godly, and blessed woman. Mary was also present at Jesus’ crucifixion. After Jesus’ death, she was cared for by the apostle John (John 19:25–27).

A second Mary in the Bible is Mary Magdalene. This Mary was called “Magdalene” to help distinguish her from some of the other women named Mary in the Gospels. Magdala was a city on the southwest coast of the Sea of Galilee. This Mary was a follower of Christ, and Luke 8:2 says Jesus had cast seven demons from her. No doubt this deliverance increased her dedication to and love for the Lord. When Jesus arose from the dead, Mary Magdalene brought the news of the empty tomb to Peter and John, and she has the distinction of being the first person to see the risen Christ (John 20:1, 18).

A third Mary in the Bible is Mary of Bethany. This Mary was the sister of Lazarus and Martha. They lived in Bethany, a town near Jerusalem. Jesus and the disciples were frequent visitors in the home of Mary, Martha, and Lazarus. Mary of Bethany was the one sitting at Jesus’ feet listening to His words while Martha set up for dinner (Luke 10:38–42). Before Jesus’ arrest, Mary of Bethany anointed Jesus’ head with costly oil. Jesus told those gathered in the room that Mary had done so in preparation for His burial (Matthew 26:6–13).

A fourth Mary in the Bible is identified as Mary the mother of James the younger and Joseph and the wife of Clopas (also called Alphaeus in Luke 6:15). She is mentioned in Mark 15:40, Matthew 27:56, and John 19:25 as watching the crucifixion of Christ. She is mentioned again in Mark 15:47 as seeing the place where Jesus was buried. And this Mary appears again in Mark 16:1 and Matthew 28:1 (where she is called “the other Mary”) in connection with the empty tomb, as she was one of the women who brought spices for Jesus’ body and met an angel instead.

A fifth Mary in the Bible is Mary the mother of John Mark. She is mentioned in Acts 12:12. She had opened up her home for believers to meet for prayer, and it was during one of their prayer meetings that Peter was miraculously released from prison. This Mary’s son is the author of the Gospel of Mark.

A sixth Mary in the Bible is mentioned as a member of the church at Rome. Paul includes her as one of the many people to greet at the end of his letter and describes her as one “who worked very hard” on behalf of the church (Romans 16:6).

https://www.gotquestions.org/how-many-Marys.html

2,146 posted on 09/09/2023 8:51:06 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Your list left off the seventh NT "Mary".

" Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother,
and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas,...

THIS is the MARY I'm talking about...
Why you playing dumb,
trying to confuse with all the other NT Mary's
I have NOT been talking about?

2,147 posted on 09/09/2023 1:02:10 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (Jer 17 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it"?)
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To: af_vet_1981
Thats possible...
But translations are unanimous on her being a "sister".
Sometimes brother is translated as "brethren" possibility..
But not one translation of 19:25 allows the reader any distinction
other than blood related sister, as it sits.
Translation tradition is all we can go on here.


2,148 posted on 09/09/2023 1:18:28 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (Jer 17 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it"?)
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To: MurphsLaw

She was on the list IF you read it. I’m illustrating that Mary was a common name in that time. It’s common today. Haven’t you ever heard of kids sharing a name??


2,149 posted on 09/09/2023 1:32:33 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MurphsLaw
And standing beside the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, and Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. John 19:25 Catholic Public Domain Version

>Seems they don't name the sister.

2,150 posted on 09/09/2023 1:40:32 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Catholic speculations about Mary
and her mother and family situation are not bordering on the absurd.
They are absurd.

The lengths you Catholics will
go to to rationalize and justify
your unsupported by Scripture fantasies about Mary are ludicrous.


As a Catholic,
Im used to hearing those words
"Ludicrous" and "absurd",
Though mostly from NON- believing acquaintances...
How "absurd" it is that I believe in a Virgin Birth of a human...
or how "Ludicrous" it is
for me to believe that
One died on a Cross and came back to Life...
My response is always...
"With God, anything is possible..."
"We just need to have Faith"

You believe in that.. Right?


2,151 posted on 09/09/2023 1:49:01 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (Jer 17 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it"?)
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To: MurphsLaw; metmom
Do you believe at the birth there was a bright light in the cave and when Mary opened her eyes there was Jesus?
2,152 posted on 09/09/2023 1:55:12 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MurphsLaw; metmom
As a Catholic, Im used to hearing those words "Ludicrous" and "absurd", Though mostly from NON- believing acquaintances... How "absurd" it is that I believe in a Virgin Birth of a human... or how "Ludicrous" it is for me to believe that One died on a Cross and came back to Life... My response is always... "With God, anything is possible..." "We just need to have Faith" You believe in that.. Right?

With God all things are possible.

However, God is not a God of confusion and that is where Roman Catholic speculations on Mary go to great lengths to deny Joseph and Mary had kids after the birth of Christ....which would not have been a sin btw.

To illustrate the lengths Roman Catholicism goes to justify their Marian dogmas they base these dogmas on the discredited and rejected Protoevangelium of James.

IF I were a Roman Catholic I would be asking some serious question about that.

So no, it is Roman Catholicism that is creating the confusion on these issues because they simply will not rely upon the inspired Word of God.

It's really that simple.

2,153 posted on 09/09/2023 2:00:37 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MurphsLaw

God can’t do “anything”.

He cannot lie, He cannot change, and He cannot deny Himself.

And the argument that God COULD HAVE done something is NO evidence in the least that He did. The fact that He migt have been able to do something does not give someone the license to make up that He did and teach it as truth. when He doesn’t tell us.


2,154 posted on 09/09/2023 2:04:38 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ealgeone
No one said for Mary to have kids was a sin.
What the Church teaches is that Mary's desire
for perpetual Virginity
through God’s design,
is the affirmation of a higher, Holier union
Of God and Man
sanctified in her Womb
ushering in the saving Incarnation.

You cant understand this yet,
but this miracle of God transcends
the earthly, carnal Sexual relations God, as well, gave us.

Can be confusing.


2,155 posted on 09/09/2023 3:31:12 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (Jer 17 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it"?)
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To: MurphsLaw; metmom
No one said for Mary to have kids was a sin.

There have been Roman Catholics on these forums who've advanced this.

What the Church teaches is that Mary's desire for perpetual Virginity through God’s design, is the affirmation of a higher, Holier union Of God and Man sanctified in her Womb ushering in the saving Incarnation.

Roman Catholicism may teach this but that is not what inspired Scripture teaches.

There is nothing in the NT remotely suggesting Mary had a desire for perpetual virginity. Nothing.

You cant understand this yet, but this miracle of God transcends the earthly, carnal Sexual relations God, as well, gave us.

There's nothing to understand other than Roman Catholicism has departed from scripture on this topic and is using a rejected book on which to base their dogma.

Can be confusing.

When one departs from Scripture in these matters is when the confusion arises. Look at the great lengths you've gone to reject Scripture but to embrace the Protoevangelium of James.

2,156 posted on 09/09/2023 3:42:02 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Their whole concept of what Mary wanted is based on pure speculation since not a one of them knows her mind.


2,157 posted on 09/09/2023 3:48:20 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: MurphsLaw
There are unknowns. I am intrigued by this other Miriam being the wife of Clopas.

There is no certain date when any of the Gospels were written, but tradition indicates the Gospel of John was last, near the end of his life so it would have been after the destruction of the Second Temple.
2,158 posted on 09/09/2023 4:08:00 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981
There are unknowns. I am intrigued by this other Miriam being the wife of Clopas.

And if she was? Doesn't change the fact Joseph and Mary had children after Jesus.

See my post 2156 on this.

2,159 posted on 09/09/2023 4:18:19 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Why did you list the Catholic Public Domain Version translation ? Why did you regard it as a valid translation ?

The Latin Vulgate has:

stabant autem iuxta crucem Iesu mater eius et soror matris eius Maria Cleopae et Maria Magdalene

Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen.

If one can read the Greek, one sees the same three instances of Mary(Miriam), each separated by an and (kai).

Here is the discussion: enter image description here
2,160 posted on 09/09/2023 4:28:06 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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