Posted on 08/03/2023 1:21:31 AM PDT by spirited irish
The S in SHAPE refers to Spiritual Gifts that can only be possessed by a believer, as even Rick Warren asserts, meaning that only the ‘‘new man” can possess them. However, the Heart, Abilities, Personality, and Experience (the H,A,P,E in SHAPE) could apply to believers as well as non-believers. The impression is created that there is an attempt to combine the attributes of the new man (the S in SHAPE) and the old man (the H,A,P,E in SHAPE) in what Rick Warren describes as a “custom combination of capabilities.”
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For anyone wondering why James Sundquist entitled his essay “A Jungian analysis,” it’s because he is revealing the underlying Jungian thinking of Rick Warren.
I trust Rick Warren about as much as Joel Osteen. Not at all.
Rick Warren is a fraud. Ranks right up there with Joel Osteen and the Dalai Lama.
I went to the source so I could read the article. Basically it boils down to the assertion that personality assessments that are based on Jung’s models are divination. This is based on allegations that Jung was involved in occult and pagan practices (which I will accept as true). But to say that taking a personality assessment is divination is ridiculous. There is an incredible body of research done on human behavior. Much of it falls in hard science. I do not like Rick Warren. I believe he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing but much of this article is just way out there.
I looked around the website this goes to and there are a lot of really crazy assertions made. Example, special portals that angels went through to enter mans time/space. There is no biblical basis for that.
It’s just this ridiculous personality type stuff just disguised as a new thing.
Just do what the Lord leads you to and get your focus off yourself.
Is that like the G in Gibberish and Gobbledygook?
Rick Warren will be one of the fraud pastors trying to persuade the masses after the rapture that since he’s still there, it wasn’t just “Christians” taken.
This guy is a massively evil deceiver.
That's exactly what it looks like.
Even suggesting that the use of numbers to express the degree of a particular personality trait is somehow linked to numerology, and thereby linked to divination, is downright silly.
That's like saying your doctor is using divination if he asks you to rank your joint pain on a scale of 1 to 5.
Like you, I don't like Rick Warren either, but this article "appears" to be making connections between personality assessments (which are quite helpful) and the occult and that is a strange accusation, to say the least.
As an aside, personality assessments can be incredibly useful to Christians. If a person takes an assessment that indicates to him that he is impulsive, it forearms him with the knowledge that he should avoid certain temptations (because in his impulsiveness, he might fall prey to them).
That most certainly is not divination.
Exactly. I think the author of this article has been sleeping with a Quija Board under his pillow.
What comes to mind is Freud's most important contribution to the field of psychoanalysis:
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar!"
Great response! :-)
BTW, my comments below are not meant to disparage you in any way. When a person does as much good work as you do, an occasional dud is bound to roll off the assembly line.
Just reading about Warren’s SHAPE gives me a headache. Ugh!
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