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Who Is Intolerant Because Ashamed: Creationists or Evolutionary Theists?
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 2023 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 07/29/2023 1:30:23 AM PDT by spirited irish

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To: muir_redwoods

How would genetics crash and burn without speciation?

Since speciation is totally speculative, we already do not need it for genetics.


61 posted on 07/29/2023 11:37:55 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Telepathic Intruder

But at that point, you are setting *science* and human reasoning as the objective standard by which the Bible be measured. Of course, the 6,000 year old earth concept is based on supposition and human reasoning itself, so who’s saying THAT is true?

Since *science* is notoriously unreliable, why would you even considering rejecting the truth of God’s word based on the opinions and suppositions of those who claim to understand science and don’t realize the half of what we DON’T know about the world?

As far as the age of the universe, here is something for your consideration. I find it intriguing and a plausible explanation about the apparent discrepancy in ages.

Gerald Schroeder is an astrophysicist who is Jewish and knows Hebrews. He looks at the creation account in the Hebrew and makes many of his deductions based on that.

The Age of the Universe
http://geraldschroeder.com/AgeUniverse.aspx


62 posted on 07/29/2023 12:45:05 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: metmom

It’s not based on reasoning but on evidence. And I don’t see science and religion as being mutually exclusive, but complimentary, so I don’t think of it as putting one above the other. If science is wrong then I’ll change my mind. Science is about skepticism, after all. But faith in God should be unshakable. Religion is somewhere between the two. Religion can also be wrong, by the way. Hope that answers that.


63 posted on 07/29/2023 12:56:39 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Evidence that animals adapt to their environments, and therefore evolve.

Adaptation due to variation within species does NOT = evolution.

That is a baseless assumption.

Every instance that I ever heard of where there is a change in the number of chromosomes within an individual in a species, results in deleterious mutations and often a severely decreased chance of survival or growth into adulthood.

Most genetic mutations that change the number of chromosomes in people result in mental retardation and/or infertility.

64 posted on 07/29/2023 2:07:55 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

human reasoning is what interprets the *evidence*.

For that matter, human reasoning decides what actually qualifies as evidence.


65 posted on 07/29/2023 2:09:57 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Chicory

The study of the genome is the core of modern genetics. It is impossible to understand the human genome without recognizing that there is irrefutable evidence that humans and chimps had a common ancestor. I’m not talking about the DNA they have in common but the structural, inheritable markers on their genomes. This ancestor was neither genus homo nor genus pan.


66 posted on 07/29/2023 2:28:14 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: metmom
True, most mutations are non-beneficial and harmful. But the small percent of those that aren't are the basis by which adaptions occur. In the same sense, adaptation is the basis by which evolution occurs, it's just over such a long timeframe that we are not around to witness it personally. That's why evolution is a theory, not an observable fact like gravity. It's also a theory and not an hypothesis because there is a lot of actual evidence to support it. And it makes sense. If someone wants to disagree with that on a Biblical basis, good for them, but I don't see the Biblical basis. There is nothing in the Bible that says "Thou shalt not believe animals evolve". I think it's an issue that is being misused by both atheists and theists alike. It has as much to do with the existence of God as whether electrons are waves or particles.
67 posted on 07/29/2023 2:45:52 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
I'm a firm believer in creationist, It doesn't take that to believe in creationism. There are lots of things that we do not understand about the Bible. One of those things may be our interpretation of what the Lord views as what a year represents. I mean they lived for hundreds of years, the oldest 969 years. Bottom line is time is irrelevant.

Some do evolve, even humans have changed. But supposedly we were not as backwards as we once believed.

Let's be honest the Bible was written by humans. Therefore it's quite possible that the transcription process could be somewhat incorrect according to what the Lord's true meaning was. In addition, it has been translated from one language into other languages. Man is not perfect. But the basic message has remained fairly constant. Interpretations vary in vast terms, because there are those who choose to deceive, as well as, those who have a hard time understanding the Lord.

I've never thought either the Big Bang Theory or the theory of evolution negated creation, and that creation was the work of an intelligent being.

In other words, what matters most is that you believe, and that you order your life accordingly.

68 posted on 07/29/2023 4:39:08 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
"what matters most is that you believe, and that you order your life accordingly."

The devil believes in God, and a lot of good it does him. Believing means agreeing with, I think, and mimicking the behavior of.

I don't see the Bible as being incorrect anywhere, just the interpretation of it. If it was completely literal in every case, there would be no problem. But Heaven is a spiritual place, not a physical one, so often the only way to describe what's happening is through metaphor.
69 posted on 07/29/2023 5:34:31 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Christians Talk About UFOs: With Dr. Gary Bates
70 posted on 07/31/2023 5:25:59 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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Interesting, but I’ve heard stuff like this before. Are they aliens or demons, from space or another dimension... I just think if one of the little buggers landed in my back yard I wouldn’t trust them (it would have to be a small ship to match my back yard). When we talk about heaven, though, are we referring to the physical heaven or the spiritual? You have to know the context. Jesus said “The kingdom of Heaven is within you”, meaning there is a spiritual context. And then there is the physical context, which is the rest of the universe, and it’s not the same thing. I disagree with this guy saying “The Earth is the spiritual center of universe”. “The world” can just refer to this world of fallen humans, not other planets in my opinion. But if I meet an alien, I’d have to test its reaction when I mention Jesus Christ.

I’ve seen a UFO, by the way. It’s funny how they always evoke this sense of fear, in almost every case I’ve heard.


71 posted on 07/31/2023 8:51:58 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
I’ve seen a UFO, by the way. It’s funny how they always evoke this sense of fear, in almost every case I’ve heard.

Why? Have they ever attacked the earth? We can't even get clear pictures of these alien spacecrafts. Did they take you aboard & probe you?

I live out in the country & I have never seen one myself. We have pretty clear views of the sky most of the time. I've seen what are, to me, suspicious lights in the sky, but I have no clue what they were. So I can't say I've seen them.

What actually prompted me sending this was the part where he discussed human travel through space and the light years it takes man to traverse our own galaxy, but the Lord can traverse is much quicker. It relates back to your statement about the earth & it being 6,000 years old according to the Bible, and my response that time is irrelevant to the Lord. Thus, man has been the one who injected time into the Bible.

72 posted on 07/31/2023 9:14:00 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
There's not much to say about my UFO sighting. I saw it with my brother, a black triangle at night, stationary one moment and then moving again, without making a sound. Dead silent. We got spooked and went in the house.

Speed through the universe is dictated by the speed of light. Nothing can go faster without time travel paradoxes occurring. That's because time stops at the speed of light. It's all part of Relativity theory, which has been tested and proven thousands of times. But there are quantum mechanical effects which also travel instantaneously, so it seems. Quantum theory is a Pandora's Box of things that defy rational explanation on some levels. In the words of Richard Feinman, "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics".
73 posted on 07/31/2023 9:47:05 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Yes, and even at the speed of light, which we can’t achieve, it takes too many years for us to traverse our own galaxy.


74 posted on 07/31/2023 9:55:15 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: one guy in new jersey

Catholics unabashedly declare that scripture is the inspired, inerrant Word of God.


And yet they do not believe in Sola Scriptura. Hmmmm.


75 posted on 07/31/2023 10:21:13 AM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: Flaming Conservative

“And yet they do not believe in Sola Scriptura.”

Who would? The recently rumored notion of “Sola Scriptura” is nowhere articulated in any book of the Holy Bible.


76 posted on 07/31/2023 11:52:43 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Telepathic Intruder
20,000 light years to traverse the Milky Way
77 posted on 07/31/2023 4:52:46 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

I’ve read something like this before. It’s about as hard to tell the size of the galaxy as it is the outer boundary of earth’s atmosphere, since it doesn’t really “end”, it just gets thinner and thinner the farther you go out. Plus it is increasingly evident that the Milky Way has undergone a number of collisions with smaller galaxies in the past, which throws out a lot of gas and stars into higher orbits.


78 posted on 07/31/2023 5:24:04 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Robert DeLong
I just realized, I wrote 20,000 light years, but the real figure was 200,000 light years. 🙂

200,000 Light Years

The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second, 186,000 * 60 = 11,160,000 miles per minute, 11,160,000 * 60 = 669,600,000 per hour, 669,600,000 * 24 = 16,070,400,000 per year, 16,070,400,000 * 200,000 = 3,214,080,000,000,000 miles across just the Milky Way.

What you’re probably wondering is how fast we’ve been able to travel in space so far. Answering this question is actually more complicated than you might think. The correct answer depends on whether you’re referring to manned or unmanned rockets and spacecraft. Generally, uncrewed spaceships can travel at a much greater speed than crewed ones. That’s because they are lighter and are not intended to take safety measures into account.

On the 12th of August 2018, NASA launched the Parker Solar Probe into space aboard the United Launch Alliance Delta IV Heavy rocket. The probe will circle Venus 7 times, using the planet’s gravitational field to slingshot itself towards the Sun. By 2024, it’s projected to reach a maximum speed of 430,000 mph.

Source of the above 2 paragraphs

If these supposed beings have hostile intentions, then its obvious that they could have taken us out decades ago.. If they really exist, what exactly are they waiting for? 😋

79 posted on 08/01/2023 5:26:12 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Telepathic Intruder
See mey response post # 79, and I just realized my calculation is way too low, because the numbers are beyond may capabilities. 😋

The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second, 186,000 * 60 = 11,160,000 miles per minute, 11,160,000 * 60 = 669,600,000 per hour, 669,600,000 * 24 = 16,070,400,000 per year (should have been per day), 16,070,400,000 * 200,000 = 3,214,080,000,000,000 miles across just the Milky Way.

Correct answer is:

16,070,400,000 * 365 = 5,865,696,000,000 per year
5,865,696,000,000 * 200,000 = 1,173,139,200,000,000,000 miles across the Milky Way

I don't even know how to say that number. 🤣

80 posted on 08/01/2023 6:00:21 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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