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Who Is Intolerant Because Ashamed: Creationists or Evolutionary Theists?
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 2023 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 07/29/2023 1:30:23 AM PDT by spirited irish

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To: Telepathic Intruder
I just think he could have created it in a way that doesn’t defy all the evidence.

What evidence are you referring to, that you believe religion defies?

The evidence & science point to a mathematical impossibility that the Universe, and everything in it, was created from nothing. Something had to exist for the creation to begin, and intelligent design had to have been behind that creation.

New ideas & developments are only possible by creating from existing materials available to humans.

21 posted on 07/29/2023 5:09:06 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: metmom

Well said.


22 posted on 07/29/2023 5:16:38 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as )
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To: stuckinloozeeana

Amen 🙏🏻!


23 posted on 07/29/2023 5:17:08 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as )
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Spot on!!


24 posted on 07/29/2023 5:18:43 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: FatherofFive

Agreed but most trees do not produce a “seed” that is so complex, those helicopter things that piss me off so much so just fine for those trees, my thought was God creating something beautiful but also helpful to others not just that tree. Can’t eat those helicopter pods or those wonderful ones that look like an oversized virus and are not good on the feet or for eating

One could argue the fruit is eaten and the seed crapped out so that expands the area for reproduction, but explain the evolutionary process there. I see a whole lot more oaks and maples in the wild than wild apple or pear trees….

Just a random thought that made me go hummm ain’t it cool


25 posted on 07/29/2023 5:28:25 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: Telepathic Intruder

It is my feeling that the Bible isn’t a scientific treatise on creation, it is a love story. It is the story of God’s love for his creation. Those who put pen to paper to write down the Bible had different audiences and different traditions. The point is emphasis will be on different aspects of the story. I used to tell my children suppose some one broke into our house and we had.an expensive lamp given to us by Aunt Sally and the perpetrator broke the lamp. When I wrote Aunt Sally the first thing I might mention is her gift was broken. The police report would go by order of events etc.. So is my letter to Aunt Sally wrong or is the police report wrong? It is interesting that so many earth breaking scientific individuals were Christians. Gregor Mendel was a monk, author of the Big Bang theory was a Priest, Georges Lemaitre to name two. 65% of Nobel Prize winners were Christians or had Christian back grounds. Under 11% were atheist.


26 posted on 07/29/2023 6:05:39 AM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Counttry)
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To: one guy in new jersey; metmom

My church is doing a sermon series on bloodlines (see Matt 1 & Luke 3:23 for OT ancestry of Jesus. 42 generations back to Adam. Both maternal lineage in Matthew and paternal in Luke (also says in Luke that Joseph was thought to be the father of Jesus).

Next add in another 20 or so generations since Christ was resurrected. So power of 2 raised to the 6oth power is how many in each persons lineage all the way back to Adam and Eve?

1,152,921,504,606,846,976

or

1 quintillion, 152 quadrillion, 921 trillion, 504 billion...


27 posted on 07/29/2023 6:16:49 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels ( Why I Oughta! Tired of leftards... Bang, Zoom, To The Moon!)
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To: metmom
he no doubt had the appearance of age

Why must he have?

28 posted on 07/29/2023 6:20:32 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: blitz128; FatherofFive

And deep inside each seed is the unique DNA for each kind.

Did you know DNA is a biological timeclock? Current accumulation of deleterious mutations means each kind can only max at around 20k years before the reproductive viabilty is completely lost.


29 posted on 07/29/2023 6:24:18 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels ( Why I Oughta! Tired of leftards... Bang, Zoom, To The Moon!)
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To: BrandtMichaels
Current accumulation of deleterious mutations

You should read Michael Behe’s “Darwin Devolves” A system of natural selection acting on random mutation, evolution can help make something look and act differently. But evolution never creates something organically. Behe contends that Darwinism actually works by a process of devolution — damaging cells in DNA in order to create something new at the lowest biological levels. This is important, he makes clear, because it shows the Darwinian process cannot explain the creation of life itself. “A process that so easily tears down sophisticated machinery is not one which will build complex, functional systems,” he writes.

30 posted on 07/29/2023 6:34:15 AM PDT by FatherofFive (I support Trump. Not the GOP)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

—> And to be a good Christian, I must believe that the earth is flat, the stars are little lights on a dome, and that every word in the Bible is literal, with no use of metaphores.

I’m in my 60s.
Lived all over the country
Attended different churches

Never met one person who believes any of that


31 posted on 07/29/2023 6:38:55 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: spirited irish

Christ himself mentioned Adam.


32 posted on 07/29/2023 6:47:48 AM PDT by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

The problem with what you are saying is that you believe in evolution and sort of tack on to that that God could have done it. What I understand from what you say is God might or might not have anything to do with it.

My idea is that none of this could have happened at all without an Intelligent Designer, that the existence of everything around us *points to* a Being with certain attributes.

I see it this way: if we were to track the history of the automobile, it would look a lot like the idea of evolution: we started with wheels, then rough carts and chariots, and then through powered vehicles that became more and more complex.

However, all that happened through design: man’s design. It’s not like someone found a car on an island where all the necessaries happened to be and came together as the result of earthquakes and lightning.

And if we found a mechanical object on a newly-discoverred island, or on the bed of the ocean, we would never say, oh, this must have formed spontaneously; we would say, I wonder who made this?

In the same way, when we look at the world we see things so vastly more complex than automobiles and should be struck by wonder at the Designer, not speculate about random forces.


33 posted on 07/29/2023 6:48:38 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: blitz128

Evolutionists extrapolate variation within species with evolution.

They assume the process can continue until there is an actual change in species.


34 posted on 07/29/2023 7:03:00 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

Don’t forget the great flood.

Methuselah was the only remaining ancestor of Noah (for Catholics in the Douay Rheims English translation of St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate: “Noe”) still alive as the storm was gathering. Tradition has it he died mere weeks before the flood began, so for Noah and his son’s, no grieving took place when the floodwaters rose in terms of lives lost in the paternal lineage.

The point is, only eight souls survived the flood, Noah, his three sons, and their wives. So you’ll certainly want to factor that into your math.


35 posted on 07/29/2023 7:03:48 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: ExGeeEye

When you look at a full grown looking man, do you not presume age?


36 posted on 07/29/2023 7:05:55 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Catholics unabashedly declare that scripture is the inspired, inerrant Word of God.

What have you got?


37 posted on 07/29/2023 7:06:35 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Same here....


38 posted on 07/29/2023 7:06:41 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Chicory

Evolution says nothing, NOTHING, about life’s origin. It speaks accurately about speciation. The modern science of genetics crashes and burns without evolution,


39 posted on 07/29/2023 7:06:54 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Along the lines of “literal, no use of metaphors” that is.

No leaping at a modern metaphorical interpretation that conflicts with what Holy Mother Church has taught at all times and at all places. Flat earth belief to one side as unnecessary. Not sure what to think of the stars/dome/”firmament” thingy.


40 posted on 07/29/2023 7:11:40 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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