Since they (Protestants) take everything else, why not the Pope? (Article our Sunday Visitor 1950, says you don't keep Bible Sabbath, you keep her day)

Our Sunday Visitor (Catholic Publication) ^ | Feb. 5, 1950 | Unknown

[Campion]

When I find a church that follows the Bible closer.....I’m there dude.

It exists in exactly the place where you refuse to look for it.

[vespa300]

<<<<It exists in exactly the place where you refuse to look for it.<<<<

I have a pretty simple formula. “to the law and to the testimony if they speak not, there is no light in them.”

sorry charlie, Your out.

[Responsibility2nd]

Many Bishops of Rome were first identified as Pontifex Maximus. A pagan term.

From there, the term Pope became more popular. A term, as we all know, is not found in the Bible.

[Campion]

Pope Gregory calendar I have calls it Sun Day.

The only connection the calendar on your wall has with Pope Gregory is where it puts February 29th. In this particular year, that's no connection at all. In 2100, it will matter, but I will hazard a guess that neither of us will be here to worry about it.

The names of the days of the week come from Germanic pagans, imitating Roman pagans. Every other aspect of it goes back long before Pope Gregory, to another Roman fellow named Julius Caesar.

[Campion]

Whether you think it fits your “formula” is not important to God, and should not be important to you. You are not the measure of things. Christ is.

[Campion]

The term "Pontifex Maximus"* was the title of the head of the Roman state religion. When Christianity became the state religion (under Theodosius the Great), the title naturally was transferred from the Emperor to the Pope.

("Maximus" is simply "greatest". "Pontifex" comes from the words for "bridge" and "builder". At least in later Latin, it's used as a generic term for a senior religious leader without regard to what religion is meant. For example, the Vulgate Bible calls the Jewish High Priest "Pontifex Iudaeis".)

[Philsworld]

Do you think he knows that the “church” is now spiritual Israel and under the New Covenant?

[vespa300]

>>>Whether you think it fits your “formula” is not important to God, and should not be important to you. You are not the measure of things. Christ is.>>>

yeah, I don’t bifurcate Christ and his word that he quoted from. They aren’t mutually exclusive. He gave it to us to read, study and reveal himself to us. Rome tried to keep the Bible from us.....man proposes but God disposes.

That being said......at least Rome doesn’t play games that evangelicals of today do with the Ten Commandments...all 10. Not just 9...but 10. Like Protestants of old didn’t either. Maybe you need to see what Wesley said about the 10 commandments.....he didn’t play that “law nailed to the cross” junk theology either.

[Tell It Right]

You quoted Irenaeus of Lyons saying "...the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul".

Ummm...according to Acts 2 the Holy Spirit already had the church running on all cylinders in Jerusalem, not Rome, before Jesus appeared to Paul on his trip to Damascus. Then later in Acts 15 we had the first church council in ... was it in Rome? No it was in ...wait for it ... Jerusalem.

And if you read the details in Acts 15 what they debated on (inclusion of Gentiles in the church) and who spoke up, it looks to me like the one who had the final say that convinced the council was James. Not Peter. Not Paul. Suggesting to me that the other apostles didn't consider Peter to be some Pope Numero Uno like Catholics claim. Nor, for that matter, did they just agree to it because Paul started off saying so (either of which would have backed up Irenaeus' claim that the church was started by Peter and Paul).

But don't let the church history as recorded in the New Testament get in the way of what you believe about church history. When the Bible and tradition contradict, tradition is superior to Council of Trent believers.

[MurphsLaw]

Did anyone say The Jerusalem Council wasn't held in Jerusalem?
You're straw-manning that to deny the infant Church.

Now what did Christ say would happen to the Temple in Jerusalem?
And just what did happen to Jerusalem in AD70?
Why did the Peter and Paul just happen to end up in Rome?
(The center of the World at that time.)
And read the First Letter of Clement in Rome to the Corinthians.(AD90s)
You would do well to not be so limiting in your understanding of the ancient Church
and how it continued on from Jerusalem.

[vpintheak]

Indeed I do!

[Elsie]

the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath,

What's so hard to figure out just WHO is the follow the LAW?

[Elsie]

Heirs to the promise not the seed.

What's the 'promise'?

[Elsie]

Yup.

However, we let you keep the false stuff.

[Elsie]

You are an embarrassment to Catholicism.

whataboutism is asking about Francis.

[Elsie]

Look at the father’s of the church, the early Christian practices, the sacrament, the councils.

Why leave out those seven churches in Asia?

[Elsie]

“We gave you guys the Bible.”

But Mary shows up occasionally to emphasize what is left OUT of the bible.

[MurphsLaw]

The Catholic church tracks itself right back to the only
person Jesus ever called “Satan,” to his very face.

Let's not forget that Jesus gave that SAME person
the "Keys - to the Kingdom" then after that
a few chapters later... so who is the dummy there?
Also the SAME person the Resurrected Jesus told
to Feed His Sheep and Lambs- THREE TIMES!...

So I gotta ask ya...
Do you blame the 10 yr old kid who just crashed the family car...
Or do you blame the adult person
who thew him the keys and said,
"Drive Kid"

(Reference please.)

[Elsie]

I think that even a publican can figger out just exactly what is NEEDED.

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Luke 18:13 King James Version

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

[Elsie]

 

 

 

 

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Micah 6:8

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

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John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?

 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

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1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

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James 1:27

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

 

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