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To: spirited irish
Evolution is compatible with Genesis.

* In the beginning the universe was void and without form - Sounds like the singularity, within which even the laws of physics did not exist (i.e., without form).

* And God said, "Let there be light." -- The Big Bang.

* And then an Earth covered with water, then plant life, then animal life, then humans. -- Which is how evolution is said to have progressed.

* Finally, a thousand years is as a day to God. So billions of years of evolution could be six days to God.

7 posted on 06/15/2023 3:00:08 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

Except that there is no evidence for evolution. You go there after you reject God.


8 posted on 06/15/2023 3:11:10 AM PDT by Timmy
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To: Angelino97
Evolution is compatible with Genesis.

If the word evolution is used to describe a process of transformation of a fertilized human egg to its fullness, a human baby, the word is applicable. However, if it is used as pagan Atomists, ancient Egyptians, and mystical pantheists use it, to describe a process of change over long periods of time from one kind ie.,a snake, to another kind, ie. a human, the word is not applicable.

* In the beginning the universe was void and without form - Sounds like the singularity, within which even the laws of physics did not exist (i.e., without form).

Applying modern, yet ancient concepts to the void leads to errors in thinking. To ancient and modern Hindus the Big Bang is a pilapia.

* And then an Earth covered with water, then plant life, then animal life, then humans. -- Which is how evolution is said to have progressed.

Evolution is fully compatible with how the human mind thinks, that is, a process beginning with one word, then another, and another, and so on. Thus it is presumptuous for humans to assign evolution as a process to God as if He too must think one word, then another, and so on. God has told us He does not think as humans think and we would do well to remember this

. * Finally, a thousand years is as a day to God. So billions of years of evolution could be six days to God.

God created time, but He is not within time but outside of time. Now here is what Ambrose said about the beginnings of all things:

"Hexameron, Book 1, Ch. 2: He linked together the beginnings of things, the creator of the world, and the creation of matter in order that you might understand that God existed before the beginning of the world or that He was Himself the beginning of all things. FCAm, 5

Now Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, 1, Q 65, Art 4: Accordiongly, the corporeal forms that bodies had when first produced came immediately from God. Whose bidding alone matter obeys, as its own proper cause. ST, 616

Aquinas said bodies were produced immediately, thus birds were birds, fish were fish, and humans were humans from the very beginning because produced immediately. Thus bodies did not come about through a billion year process of evolutionary change as man presumes

9 posted on 06/15/2023 3:32:49 AM PDT by spirited irish ( )
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To: Angelino97

Death before the fall of man? Genealogy of Adam much short than human “history” as Ardipithicines, etc.?

But more so your last point. It is a twisted use of what that verse actually states. This comes from 2 Peter 3. I would encourage you to read the full chapter, as it is a startling warning upon the same thing you use it towards... There is consensus among evolutionist that a worldwide flood never occurred. This chapter states it did happen and that near the end times people would deny it. God is clearly stating in this chapter that even though man intentionally forgets the past, He does not. He can remember 1000 years as clearly as we can remember yesterday.


30 posted on 06/15/2023 5:28:24 AM PDT by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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To: Angelino97; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; Phinneous; golux; yelostar; SJackson

And God said, "Let there be light." -- The Big Bang.

I wonder if this thread is going to... devolve.

That would be a shame, because everyone ought to know already that the Big Bang is real, being the dramatic conclusion to Caddyshack, even as the name of the song.

"Hey Judge! Double or nothing he makes it. 80,000."

(Fore!)

That's not only the ratio of the volume of the Ark of Noah to the Ark of the Covenant, it's the general rounded number for the number of words in the Torah, like the 2000 years since the time of Christ, or the destruction of the Temple, or the distance to keep back from the Ark (Jos 3:4).

(300 x 50 x 30) / (2.5 x 1.5 x 1.5) = 450,000/ (45/8) = 450,000 x (8/45) = 80,000

A few years earlier, everyone learned that a new Peterbilt cost $80,000. So, with enough motivation, "We're gonna do what they say can't be done."

Now because I'm simply motivated by all the more insight, some years back I observed that the letters of a very famous phrase in the Psalms set up as that same ratio, in a plain-wording kind of way, with the pattern for doing that inspired by the dimensions themselves. Guess it'll have to be a surprise.

Meanwhile, everyone knows what'll happen if they dare peek into the Ark:

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light:

💡

TOP SECRET
ARMY INTEL 9906753
DO NOT OPEN
Until Christmas

Who invited that kid?

Actually, the second gift made perfect sense, because if you'll recall, sleep is 1/60 of death, and dreams are 1/60 of prophecy; i.e. small samples of.

ARMY INTEL:

"Mom has pulled a surprise present from the closet"

Anyone notice the two Sabras on the bedskirt? They appear toward the end, at the place where Woody reassures everyone that "Hey, what did I tell you earlier, no one is getting replaced."

"What is it."

Still Not Dead (Official Video):

"Last night I had a dream that I died twice yesterday, but I woke up still not dead again today."

Thanks, Willie!

(Fore!)

That's not only the ratio of the volume of the Ark of Noah to the Ark of the Covenant, it's the general rounded number for the number of words in the Torah:

"I love you too."

(Forewarned is forearmed.)

At the top of the article page (it all went downhill fast from there):

"And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself." Luke 24:27


34 posted on 06/15/2023 5:34:52 AM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars ♂️, aka every man)
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To: Angelino97

Agreed. It is pretty clear that there is some process that makes more complex life out of simpler life. If someone wants to call that process evolution, that is fine with me. Just don’t tell me with certainty, that you understand that process, because you don’t.


39 posted on 06/15/2023 5:46:06 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Angelino97

“There was evening and there was morning - the first day”
So, no.
Additionally, no matter how much evolutionists squawk, there are no fossils of “in between” anything.


54 posted on 06/15/2023 7:29:06 AM PDT by vpintheak (Live free, or die!)
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To: Angelino97

Thank you Angelino97

“In the beginning the universe was void and without form”

What’s interesting is the universe “was”

Strongs concordance

H1961
היה
הָיָה ‎ hâyâh
haw-yaw‘
A primitive root (compare 1933 ; to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

If earth “became” void that’s in perfect context with how we scientifically and geologically have figured the universe to molded itself in its present form.

The age of Earth which some figure it to be 4.5 billion years old.
And the estimate is 13.8 billion for the universe.

“Void”
H922
בּהוּ
בּוֹהוּ ‎ bôhû
bo‘-hoo
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.

There was one other time that Hebrew word Strong’s H922 is used which strengthens the definition:

Jer 4:23 - I looked at the earth, and it was formless and empty; and at the heavens, and their light was gone.

Many interpret that as God (ELOHIM) created heavens and earth, and then the Earth was destroyed after it was created.

What does that mean? Cataclysmic events, Extinction events, volcanic activity, earthquakes, asteroids... at least 5 ice ages, and about 11 mass extinctions. Magnetic shifts...

Then geologically look at the existence of lead: the half life of uranium-238 is 4.5 billion years old. It decays into radium-236, which in turn decays into radon-222. radon-222 becomes polonium-210 which finally decays into a stable nuclid, lead

That entire process takes much more 5,000 years to accomplish.

Do I believe in the ELOHIM as the Creator? Of course I do and this universal creation is complex, time consuming and very exacting beyond what we will ever imagine.

I am amazed that many religionists out today are sticking to the 5,000-year permutation, calling everybody else blasphemers! That’s inconceivable to my mind with all the information that God has allowed us to observe and to reason through. The rocks are crying out and showing the full Glory and complexity of the creation. God did not wave a magic wand and click His heels 3x, He spoke and the process began...

Take the pre trib Rapture Theory, Jesus told us what was going to happen in the end times (it’s in “red letters”) in the New Testament, it’s not some convoluted cherry picking all over scriptures to explain some pre-tribulation taking up into the sky. Jesus said it! And He was very direct about it (the wheat and the tares).

I’ve had several conversations with people that believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, and when I showed them in scriptures containing Jesus’ insight that He gave to His apostles... and their Dogma kicked in and they called me anti-Pauline. Wow!

It’s all in the Book, sometimes you have to dig and explore the language, and oftentimes you have to observe what’s going on in nature and in the world to fully understand the context and the exactness of the Word.

God is Good, all the time!


56 posted on 06/15/2023 7:43:13 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: Angelino97
So billions of years of evolution could be six days to God

That's not taking into account the 7th day. He rested - and not for a billion years.

61 posted on 06/15/2023 8:50:08 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: Angelino97

I think a good study of Genesis would be in order.


85 posted on 06/16/2023 11:00:52 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Angelino97
* In the beginning the universe was void and without form - Sounds like the singularity, within which even the laws of physics did not exist (i.e., without form).

Isaiah 45: 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth became void and without form ...

Genesis Is the Heavenly Father giving the chronology of His time and events through Moses. Moses is not in the flesh here on God's green earth until the book of Exodus.

Genesis 1:2 is describing the 'overthrow - casting down ' of the devil .. referred to over and over and over again by Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28, by Paul repeatedly, and even Christ Himself. Even Peter gets in on the action of describing THREE heaven and earth ages and the first one had a flood. IIPeter 3. Jeremiah as well describes this flood ...

Ephesians 1: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This 'foundation of the world' is from the Greek katabolle

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

The whole reason for this 'flesh' age is John 3 ... Those souls/spirit intellect have the 'choice' to take this flesh journey ... born from above ... Well, that is other than the devil, the serpent, the destroyer, king of Babylon, prince of Tyrus and the last role he will be allowed to play is 'Jesus'. Or otherwise called the 'anti-Christ'... instead of Christ...

94 posted on 06/17/2023 9:31:35 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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