Who Really is the God of Genesis?

PatriotandLiberty ^ | 2023 | Russell Grigg

[spirited irish]

The God of Genesis is not someone whom Christians share with Islam, modern-day non-Messianic Judaism,1 Hinduism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Unitarians, or any other belief system which rejects the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Rather, unlike those systems, Genesis portrays the God of Christianity (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) to be the God who is not only one, but is also more than one.

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[Behind Liberal Lines]

Is this a Peter Gabriel vs Phil Collins debate?

[Jonty30]

The Old Testament is replete with verses that suggest a triune God.

[21twelve]

My wife gets mad at me when I say that as Christians, we don’t worship the same God that modern Jewish people worship. I gave up trying to explain it to her - and it doesn’t really matter I guess.

[Skwor]

The Old Testament clearly indicates that God is plural, when he refers to Himself the name used in the original manuscripts is always in the plural sense "Elohim". The problem is "scholars" redefine it and say "even though the word is indeed plural in this instance it is used in a singular sense" they know the word is plural, they do this specifically to refute the idea of a triune Godhead.

That pretty much ends the debate, that leaves whether God is two or three and in that the Bible again clearly states there are three entities that make the whole.

[Clutch Martin]

From Strong’s concordance

H430
אלהים
אֱלוֹהִים ‎ ‘ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem‘
Plural of 433 gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

[Cronos]

“My wife gets mad at me when I say that as Christians, we don’t worship the same God that modern Jewish people worship. I gave up trying to explain it to her - and it doesn’t really matter I guess.”

Why do you say that?

I assume you agree with me that both Christianity (Jesus-movement Judaism) and modern day Judaism (Rabbinical Judaism) are sister religions arising out of 2nd temple Judaism?

I’d be interested in hearing your description

[ViLaLuz]

I’ve seen this topic cause much discussion and debate, especially with Muslims I know. It can be confusing. I simply believe what God tells us about himself. Even at the limited human mind level I can accept that.

[spirited irish]

I simply believe what God tells us about himself.

And that is the Rock we must unflinchingly stand upon.

[stars & stripes forever]

[ViLaLuz]

Amen.

[KingLudd]

Is this a Peter Gabriel vs Phil Collins debate?

Clever

[kelly4c]

I find it interesting where it says he made humans male and female in his image. I’ve heard some theologians describe it as God the Father being male and the holy Spirit being female....

[kelly4c]

...of course Jesus is also male, but a softer version (turn the other cheek etc )

[Skwor]

I have read similar ideas of the Holy Spirit being female. I think that is a bit limiting and the Bible says little about the specific nature of the Holy Spirit. I personally think it could be possible the Holy Spirit contains the Godly aspects of the feminine but I think being specifically female is a reach, either way biblically there is nothing to stand on in my limited understanding.

[daniel1212]

The God of Genesis is not someone whom Christians share with Islam,

How dare you reject the living magisterium of Rome:

"the Moslems, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore [worship] the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind." (Lumen Gentium 16)

"Upon the Moslems, too, the Church looks with esteem. They adore one God, living and enduring, merciful and all-powerful, Maker of heaven and earth and Speaker to men...They strive to submit wholeheartedly even to His inscrutable decrees, just as did Abraham, with whom the Islamic faith is pleased to associate itself." (Nostra Aetate's §3

Thus leaving the RC laity to interpret their interpreter, seeking to rationalize this as not being a contradiction of past TC teaching, and less importantly, of Scripture. Of course, most Catholics can be said to worship a false God themselves.

But it remains that the claim that Islam worships the God of the Bible is blasphemous. For with Allah, we are not dealing with an utterly ambiguous "unknown god" as in Acts 17, for which there was no express definitive revelation and could said to be the true God they were looking for. But Allah is a defined deity, and as such is a distinct dod, and in the name of this false deity are the contradictory and skewed Biblical stories of the Qur'an, besides adding its own, and which denies the very essence of the gospel, that of the Divine Son of God procuring salvation with His own sinless shed blood!

[stars & stripes forever]

As Spirited Irish says,

“I simply believe what GOD tells us about HIMself.
And that is the Rock we must unflinchingly stand upon.”

My pastor said, “We line up with the WORD, not try to make the WORD say what we want.”

If it’s in the BOOK, that’s the way it will be.

[Phinneous]

My Christian FRiends, you paste about and you know such insights into Genesis. But can you find the error (you’ll need a concordance) in every single one of these translations of something as simple as Num 13:22?

https://biblehub.com/numbers/13-22.htm

And it should give one pause....If my translation is patently incorrect/imprecise here.... where else have I been (unintentionally) misled?