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Should We Trust the Bible?
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 2023 | Jonathan Sarfati

Posted on 06/04/2023 1:54:51 AM PDT by spirited irish

Since Creation Ministries International is based on the Bible, the question arises, why should the Bible be trusted? How should we answer those who claim that it’s been re-written so many times that we no longer have the original? And even if we do, was it written long after the events it claimed to report? Also, does archaeology disprove the Bible? Finally, even if it is true, what’s the point?

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TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; faith; retread; torah; trust; whereshumblegunner
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1 posted on 06/04/2023 1:54:51 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: metmom; sauropod; ViLaLuz

ping


2 posted on 06/04/2023 1:55:27 AM PDT by spirited irish ( )
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To: spirited irish

I will not just trust the word of God Almighty Himself, but The Author of the Word Itself, God Almighty Himself.


3 posted on 06/04/2023 2:11:53 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: spirited irish

Satan’s tactic from the beginning.

*Did God REALLY say...???*


4 posted on 06/04/2023 2:14:06 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: metmom

That’s right, believers should not take satan lightly, but we don’t have to fear him either! God Himself is far more powerful than satan could ever dream of being!


5 posted on 06/04/2023 2:17:36 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: spirited irish

God has declared the end from the beginning in His Word.

Prophesy is unfolding before our very eyes, and we still ask if we can trust it???

The bible was not given to us for us to trust “IT”... it was given to us so that we would trust “HIM”.

His Word will NEVER Pass away.

We were warned.

Time’s up.


6 posted on 06/04/2023 3:10:43 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: spirited irish

As a matter of fact, Church tradition agrees with this “new” findings in the article.
It was the “critical” and “scientific” analysis of the Bible (mostly in 19th century) which is invariably wrong!


7 posted on 06/04/2023 3:14:00 AM PDT by AZJeep
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To: AZJeep

Agreed!


8 posted on 06/04/2023 3:22:41 AM PDT by spirited irish ( )
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To: spirited irish

There is undeniably great truths, insights and passed wisdom contained in the book.

Also such statements as;
Isaiah 44:20

or

“Your father was a liar from Bereshit.
(The first word in the bible.)


9 posted on 06/04/2023 3:27:34 AM PDT by conserv8
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To: spirited irish; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; ...
About the best post you provided, though being taken from the source you list at the end:

Click Link Below to Continue Reading https://creation.com/should-we-trust-the-bible

Then there is the question, Should We Trust the Faith of the Anti-theists?

For to believe that an exceedingly vast, systematically ordered universe, exquisitely finely tuned for life with its intricate astounding complexity, *, can be all a result of purely natural processes requires much faith, more so than that the universe logically testifies to design, requiring a First Cause (at the least), that of a powerful being of supreme intelligence being behind the existence of energy and organization of matter.

Yet Dawkins [essentially] Admits Nothing Can Persuade Him God Exists

How would you respond to this argument: "Since science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God, then it's possible he exists"?

It’s Almost Impossible to Understand How Unfathomably Massive Our Universe Truly Is

The Privileged Planet

Fine-Tuning Parameters

It’s Almost Impossible to Understand How Unfathomably Massive Our Universe Truly Is

Design from Fine-Tuning | Reasonable Faith

'God: new evidence' - the fine tuning of the universe - part 1

[God DNA] Proves Presence of God” says Scientists

It Takes 26 Fundamental Constants To Give Us Our Universe, But They Still Don't Give Everything

The Universe Really Is Fine-Tuned, And Our Existence Is The Proof

The Universe as We Understand It May Be Impossible

When science and philosophy collide in a 'fine-tuned' universe

Science quotes on God

We Live in a Very Fortunate Universe

Can DNA Prove the Existence of an Intelligent Designer?

82 Mind-Blowing Facts about DNA | FactRetriever.com

Extra-Biblical Historical Evidence for Christianity

Is There Any Evidence for Jesus Outside the Bible?

Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources

Amazing Stories, Christian Testimonies, Healing Miracles and Inspirational Stories

Yet Dawkins [essentially] Admits Nothing Can Persuade Him God Exists

*Yet other unbelievers at least attest that as Albert Einstein observed:

"We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations."

Another non-Christian:

“The order of the universe is not an assumption; it’s an observed fact. We detect the light from distant quasars only because the laws of electromagnetism are the same 10 billion light years away as here. The spectra of those quasars are recognizable only because the same chemical elements are present there
as here, and because the same laws of quantum mechanics apply. The motion of galaxies around one another follows familiar Newtonian gravity. Gravitational lenses and binary pulsar spin-downs reveal general relativity in the depths of space. We could have lived in a universe with different laws in every province, but we do not. This fact cannot but elicit feelings of reverence and awe.” ― Carl Sagan , The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

"according to many physicists, the fact that the universe is able to support life depends delicately on various of its fundamental characteristics, notably on the form of the laws of nature, on the values of some constants of nature, and on aspects of the universe’s conditions in its very early stages." https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fine-tuning/

A listing of such follows.

“I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.” - Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy) Willford, J.N. March 12, 1991. Sizing up the Cosmos: An Astronomers Quest. New York Times, p. B9.
“Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word ‘miraculous’ without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word.” - George Ellis (British astrophysicist) Ellis, G.F.R. 1993. The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments. The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U.Curi, ed. New York, Cambridge University Press, p. 30
“We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in.” - John O’Keefe (astronomer at NASA) Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications, p. 200.
“As we look out into the universe and identify the many accidents of physics and astronomy that have worked together to our benefit, it almost seems as if the universe must in some sense have known that we were coming.” - Professor Freeman J. of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton
“The statistical probability that organic structures and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be generated by accident, is zero.” - Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist) - Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry in, "Physics Today" 25, pp. 23-28
“The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge, and would be total chaos if any of the natural ‘constants’ were off even slightly. - - Dr. Paul Davies, esteemed author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide University.
“...how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.” - Professor Steven Weinberg (Nobel Laureate in High Energy Physics [a field of science that deals with the very early universe], writing in the journal “Scientific American”.)
16O has exactly the right nuclear energy level either to prevent all the carbon from turning into oxygen or to facilitate sufficient production of 16O for life. Fred Hoyle, who discovered these coincidences in 1953, concluded that “a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.” - Hoyle, Fred. “The Universe: Past and Present Reflections,” in Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics, 20. (1982), p.16 (for more of these coincidences click here)
“If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one… Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.” - Christian de Duve. “A Guided Tour of the Living Cell” (Nobel laureate and organic chemist) “...The capacity of DNA to store information vastly exceeds that of any other known system: it is so efficient that all the information needed to specify an organism as complex as man weighs less than a few thousand millionths of a gram. The information necessary to specify the design of all the species of organisms which have ever existed on the planet…could be held in a teaspoon and there would still be room left for all the information in every book ever written…” - Dr. Michael Denton (Australian microbiologist)

10 posted on 06/04/2023 5:03:11 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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To: spirited irish

Since we cannot know everything we must ‘trust’ something.

Too bad so many folks just give up making a choice and end up trusting themselves and their faulty decision making process.


11 posted on 06/04/2023 5:10:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: spirited irish

The Bible is true and the “point” is Jesus Christ.


12 posted on 06/04/2023 5:17:45 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: spirited irish
Joshua's Alter was found in the 1980s on Mt Ebal. And at the site a tiny lead tablet was found dated to that time.

In Canaanite Hebrew writing it says "YHWY - Curses, Curses Curses", just as the DEAD SEA SCROLLS(1st century AD) of Deuteronomy 27:9-26 said 6 tribes on Mt Ebal shouted. While on Mt. Gerizim the other 6 shouted -God blessing-.

BANG, DEAD are the Minimalist Claims that Israel and the Old Testament never Happened and that what was in the Bible never happened.

SEE FOR YOURSELF: Video of Lead Tablet
https://youtu.be/tb1h45LqYpw?t=155

SEE FOR YOURSELF: the DEAD SEA Dueteronomy 27 text(English Translation Provided:
http://dssenglishbible.com/deuteronomy%2027.htm

Also Found:

SEE FOR YOURSELF: Sulfur Bombs dated from the time of Soddom/Gamorah still Nasty
https://youtu.be/jQl4KaRtef8

SEE FOR YOURSELF: Abramham's first Altar
https://youtu.be/Mqd0lnQy8Ko

SEE FOR YOURSELF: Egyptian Hieroglyph at Time of Judges mentions ISRAEL by Name
https://youtu.be/4z9V-44cLpQ

SEE FOR YOURSELF: Cuneiform Babylonian Table mentions KING OF ISRAEL in Captivity by NAME
https://youtu.be/BeDWfx1QUxs

And Much More.

This argument has been shattered.

Proof Positive that the Bible is Real and TRUE.

13 posted on 06/04/2023 5:27:43 AM PDT by CptnObvious
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To: spirited irish

Book of Hebrew, which is obviously not the oldest book of the NT, is describing the temple sacrifices as ongoing.
So even this book is older than 70 AD, when the sacrifices ended!


14 posted on 06/04/2023 7:21:58 AM PDT by AZJeep
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To: daniel1212

A designer of the Universe dictates a designer of Me. I then have Purpose.
.
Atheists have no purpose.


15 posted on 06/04/2023 9:52:01 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: spirited irish

“How should we answer those who claim that it’s been re-written so many times that we no longer have the original?“

Every new ‘translation’ goes back to the original.

It’s not like cars - where they keep changing little things from last years’ model.

Bible translations go back to the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic manuscripts. So, while the wording may alter according to modern speaking trends, the writings remain intact.


16 posted on 06/04/2023 9:58:50 AM PDT by joethedrummer (We can't vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: spirited irish

“..was it written long after the events it claimed to report?”

The New Testament was written by eyewitnesses of these events - within the lifetime of OTHER eyewitnesses.
It wasn’t written as a “Christian” manifesto; it is a collection of letters by people who were there - to other people/churches.

Paul wrote most of the New Testament. He was around during the life of Jesus and after his conversion, he spent a lot of time with Jesus’ 12 disciples before he traveled to establish churches and preach the Word.

John wrote 5 NT books. He knew Jesus personally; before His crucifixion and afterward. Most of these writings were to churches regarding issues.

Nowadays, SO many “writers” write to propagandize and they, in their projection, accuse Bible authors of the same.

Those Bible authors were killed for their beliefs. A true believer understand that those men lived what they wrote. They didn’t have time to be bothered writing nonsense that might cost them their lives. And yet, they all point to Jesus. Every one of them are consistent. And they all jibe with Old Testament prophecies.

Of course, unbelievers can’t understand. But like a previous poster said - it takes just as much faith for them to believe what they choose to believe. (But somehow, OUR faith in God is irrational…). Pray for The Lord to loose the scales from their eyes. Nobody has ever been out-debated into the Kingdom of God.


17 posted on 06/04/2023 10:19:04 AM PDT by joethedrummer (We can't vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: CptnObvious

Nobody seriously doubts that Israel and Judah existed. The minimalists questioned the veracity of Exodus, and that debate, so far as I know is still going on. The numbers mentioned in Exodus do seem to be too high to be accurate.


18 posted on 06/04/2023 10:26:57 AM PDT by x
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To: daniel1212

The Universe was created for
Man to live in.
.
I like That.
.
I’ve always strived for Truth.
My finite self is incapable of it
But the One True God Is TRUTH.
.
I now Gird my loins in TRUTH
Embracing the Whole Armour of GOD
Against the prince of Lies.


19 posted on 06/04/2023 10:41:18 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: spirited irish

Interesting and compelling info. Thanks.


20 posted on 06/04/2023 12:06:34 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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