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Freemason Anglican bishop celebrates liturgy in papal basilica with 30 Protestant clergy
LifeSite News ^ | April 19, 2023 | Michael Haynes

Posted on 04/19/2023 2:02:12 PM PDT by ebb tide

Freemason Anglican bishop celebrates liturgy in papal basilica with 30 Protestant clergy

Vatican authorities gave the Anglican clergy permission to say ‘Mass’ in St. John Lateran’s, the ‘Mother of all the Churches of Rome and of the world.’ Pope Francis later greeted the group after his weekly general audience.

VATICAN CITY (LifeSiteNews) — Led by a “re-married” Freemason, over 30 Anglican clergymen celebrated “Mass” in the Papal Basilica of St. John Lateran’s this week, sparking outrage among faithful Catholics.

On April 18, a group of Anglican clergy from the Anglican suffragan Diocese of Fulham, in England, were granted permission to celebrate a liturgy in the historic basilica of St. John Lateran. Led by their bishop, Johnathan Baker of Fulham, over 30 clergymen took part in the event, which was held at the altar of the cathedra in the basilica.

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Footage from one of the participants shows the clergymen processing up to the altar, kissing it, and then moving across to the choir stalls. Baker, who has led the Anglican see of Fulham since 2013, can be seen leading the “Mass.”

St. John Lateran is traditionally known as the “Mother of all the Churches of Rome and of the world” and is the seat of the bishop of Rome, the Pope. The basilica is thus technically ranked as more important for Catholics than the Vatican.

Baker’s clergy are part of the more conservative Anglican wing — commonly known as Anglo-Catholics. They are marked out by their customary use of more traditional style liturgical vestments, along with somewhat of an adherence to more traditional customs, including a rejection of women’s ordination in the Church of England. 

His clergy are currently in Rome for a tri-annual retreat and are based at the Villa Palazzola, which is owned by the Venerable English College (VEC) in Rome — the Catholic seminary for English speakers which dates back to 1579.

It is unclear how the Anglican clergymen received permission to use the Catholic basilica for their liturgy.


‘Bp. Baker’ in the Lateran Basilica. Credit: St Philip the Apostle, South Tottenham/Facebook

The Pontifical Council (now Dicastery) for Promoting Christian Unity noted in a 2020 document that “[w]here the diocesan bishop discerns that it will not cause scandal or confusion to the faithful, he may offer other Christian communities the use of a church.” 

The Dicastery added that “[p]articular discernment is required in the case of the diocesan cathedral. The Ecumenical Directory (§137) envisages such situations in which a Catholic diocese comes to the aid of another community which is without its own place of worship or liturgical objects to worthily celebrate its ceremonies.”

However, even with this permissive prescription from the Dicastery — which reflects the current trend of promoting unity at the apparent sacrifice of the Catholic faith — the permission for Baker to hold a liturgy in the Basilica is still perplexing. 

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The Anglicans have their own Anglican Center and a designated church in the city of Rome, thus negating any need to look for another venue to hold a liturgical ceremony. The number of Anglican clergymen was relatively small, around 30, and would have been easily accommodated by the Anglican church in Rome.

LifeSiteNews contacted the Basilica of St. John Lateran and the Anglican Center, asking how Baker and the 30 clergy came to celebrate “Mass” in the significant Catholic basilica. LifeSite also asked if the Anglican clergymen used the Basilica’s sacred vessels for the ceremony. An answer was not received by time of publication. 

Baker a divorced Mason

Baker, while heading a so-called traditional wing of the Anglican church, is in fact a Freemason. Upon his elevation to the Anglican see of Ebbsfleet, Baker’s membership of the Masons became known. He joined the secretive, anti-Catholic group while a student in Oxford.

READ: Is Masonic infiltration responsible for the widespread apostasy among Catholic clergy?

Baker, speaking in 2011, stated “for many years I have been an active member and I continue to be a member” and rose to serve as an assistant Grand Chaplain.  

Days later, he claimed that he had left the Masons in light of his appointment to the see of Ebbsfleet, but continued to describe the Masons as “an organization that is wholly supportive of the Church.”

READ: Freemasonry: Men of honesty or a brotherhood of crime?

The Anglican clergyman is also divorced and “re-married,” which caused consternation among more conservative Anglicans at how such an individual was supposed to represent their traditional views.

Anglican’s receive warm welcome in Catholic Rome

The Anglican clergymen have, as part of their current retreat in Rome, been warmly welcomed by other Catholic dignitaries. They were addressed at an event by former prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Cardinal Gerhard Müller, who reportedly “spoke about the need for a robust Christian anthropology in the face of the challenges of post-modernity.”

They were also received at the VEC, where the rector delivered a lecture to the Anglican clergy in the seminary martyr’s chapel. This was the chapel in which Catholic seminarians would sing the Te Deum when they heard of one of their former classmates, then ordained, having been martyred at the hands of the Protestants during the centuries of Catholic persecution in England.


VEC Rector Fr. Wang addresses the Anglican clergy. Credit: Simon Clark/Facebook

The group then met with the Dicastery for Promoting Christian Unity and were personally greeted by Pope Francis after his weekly general audience.

But responding to the footage of the Anglican clergymen holding “Mass” in St. John Lateran, prominent liturgist Dr. Peter Kwasniewski slated the decision to grant such permission: 

I am not by any means rabidly “anti-Anglican.” Heck, some of my favorite writings of all time are Cardinal Newman’s Parochial and Plain Sermons, about which I will be speaking this Saturday. But it is absolutely inappropriate for the pope (or someone acting with his clearance) to grant permission to Anglicans to “have Mass” in the Lateran Basilica, the Bishop of Rome’s cathedral, when Rome’s own venerable rite has been hounded out of churches and driven from the side altars of St. Peter’s. Will the absurdity never end?

Kwasniewski added that he did “not believe in any intercommunion between ecclesial bodies that do not confess the same doctrine, priesthood, and morals. I am good friends with a number of Anglicans and Orthodox and Protestants, but we do not share the same altar and the same vessels.”


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I (Kwasniewski) am not by any means rabidly “anti-Anglican.” Heck, some of my favorite writings of all time are Cardinal Newman’s Parochial and Plain Sermons, about which I will be speaking this Saturday. But it is absolutely inappropriate for the pope (or someone acting with his clearance) to grant permission to Anglicans to “have Mass” in the Lateran Basilica, the Bishop of Rome’s cathedral, when Rome’s own venerable rite has been hounded out of churches and driven from the side altars of St. Peter’s. Will the absurdity never end?
1 posted on 04/19/2023 2:02:12 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Ann Archy; Al Hitan; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; kalee; markomalley; miele man; Mrs. Don-o; ...

Apostate Pope Ping


2 posted on 04/19/2023 2:04:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church’s “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

“Bishop Jorge” is not a protestant. No, he’s your boy, y’all must deal with him.


3 posted on 04/19/2023 2:32:53 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever" Isaiah 25)
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To: ebb tide

OMG!!!!! This is a DISGRACE!! OMG!!! The POPE is an APOSTATE!


4 posted on 04/19/2023 4:29:16 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Lee N. Field
If he looks like a protestant, walks like protestant, quacks like a protestant and gets "blessings" by protestants, he's a protestant.


Argentine Cardinal kneels to receive Protestant 'Blessing'

5 posted on 04/19/2023 5:07:48 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church’s “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: Ann Archy

OMG!!!!! This is a DISGRACE!! OMG!!! The POPE is an APOSTATE!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
So where have you been since that became evident shortly after he first soiled the Chair of Peter?


6 posted on 04/19/2023 5:16:02 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Current POPE and POTUS: corrupt, ignorant, paranoid, angry, deeply hateful, and deeply despised.)
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7 posted on 04/19/2023 5:19:48 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church’s “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: Al Hitan; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; kalee; markomalley; miele man; Mrs. Don-o; ...
German Bishop: "The changes in the Church today are deeper than the Protestant Reformation"
8 posted on 04/19/2023 5:22:45 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church’s “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: Lee N. Field
German Bishop: "The changes in the Church today are deeper than the Protestant Reformation"
9 posted on 04/19/2023 5:24:39 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church’s “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide
Martin Luther was a better Catholic that Pope Frankie Boy is today.

10 posted on 04/19/2023 6:01:59 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
Are you serious?? I was SICK when they elected him...SICK and SAD!

I'm guessing he hasn't brought ONE SOUL into the CHURCH and still guessing that many have left!

I don't read all the threads about him because I fear for my soul!

11 posted on 04/20/2023 4:26:52 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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12 posted on 04/20/2023 3:35:35 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church’s “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

I have nothing against Anglicans but the fact that Pope Bozo has forbidden the ancient Mass in the Vatican, but allows a liturgy composed by Cranmer to be celebrated in the Lateran is sickening.


13 posted on 04/20/2023 3:45:21 PM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

That’s for sure.


14 posted on 04/20/2023 3:46:45 PM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: ebb tide
"He joined the secretive, anti-Catholic group while a student in Oxford."

Head Shake.

I am 75 years old, have been a Free Mason since I was 21. I know all about the history of the Catholic Church in Europe and the group he speaks of. The roots go back to before the Crusades. I know a few Catholic members. Have close friends who are members of the Nights of Columbus, in places the 2 groups are known to join in community efforts together. I know a lot of other Christian members of many flavors, a number of Jewish members. There is a largely Jewish lodge in Wichita Kansas, I have been there.

I have no issue discussing this subject, but will not argue with people who don't have a clue about the past.

15 posted on 04/21/2023 6:24:33 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Texas Fossil
I have no issue discussing this subject, but will not argue with people who don't have a clue about the past.

Actually your entire argument fails when you referred to the "Nights of Columbus".

Frankly, I think your full of it.

16 posted on 04/21/2023 6:32:53 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church’s “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

Knights of Columbus

And NO, I do not LIE.


17 posted on 04/21/2023 6:52:45 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I don’t believe you.


18 posted on 04/21/2023 6:54:56 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church’s “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

I told you, I do not lie.

Sent you Freep mail.

You can believe whatever you want.

What I said was totally correct.


19 posted on 04/21/2023 7:18:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Just an FYI.

I have just deleted, without reading them, the two most recent freepmails, that you have sent to me. And I will continue to delete any more you send to me.

Just trying to save you some time and effort.


20 posted on 04/22/2023 9:27:03 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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