Posted on 01/31/2023 9:11:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind
God rest Mr. Neumayr. May the Holy Spirit inspire a thousand worthy successors to Cardinal Pell and George Neumayr.
Good read. Thanks
What Catholicism needs is a new Pope... One who is truly Catholic and not a charlatan.
Ping
Faithful Catholics “like” the established doctrines, it is those like the perfidious German bishops, J Martin, and McCarrick who do not.
I feel like the only person suggesting a solution is Ron Dreher—now Orthodox—in his book Live Not by Lies.
The times just seem to get worse every day.
“What Catholicism needs is a new Pope... One who is truly Catholic and not a charlatan.”
And guess what, with all the cardinals that the Marxist pope has nominated, the new pope will be like him.
May his Memory be Eternal!!!!
IMHO...It also needs to cleans itself of perverted priests and Bishops. With so many perverts in the ranks and in high places, the question is, can it? The requirement of celibacy is a man-made doctrine, which has no basis in scripture. The apostles were married save Paul. Nowhere does Paul require celibacy of those he discipled. Unfortunately, celibacy has offered a cloak for sinful men and women to hide behind. It's way past due to end this unscriptural requirement. To point out that eastern Catholic priests can marry is not enough. All Catholic priests and Bishops should be able to marry if they desire.
“Whatever the full story behind Neumayr’s apparent whirlwind contraction of and death from malaria, and whatever the reasons he believed he was “tangling with some dangerous forces,” “
I believe that FR Malachi Martin was offed by those forces.
Once marxism infests any organization it is doomed.
While Catholics would like to say clerical sex abuse has been eradicated, we know it hasn’t.
But it has been put in check somewhat. The spotlight is on the clergy, and they are unfortunately for most, guilty before proven innocent.
The comment that “so-many perverts in high places” is simply ad-hominem with no factual support.
There are over 400,000 priests offering sacrifice and serving the laity in the world.
So yes there will be bad apples… always has been. Just like many other segments of life- even within our families.
The distrust for clergy- innocent or otherwise - is on display everytime a prelate sympathetic to the same-sex issue among those seeking Christ- is categorized and demonized as a homosexual themselves based unfairly on sinful minds.
Now is James Martin a homosexual? Who knows but all the signs are there. And boy does he get the headlines…
Yes, in your defense though, due to the angst against the Church- wheter its current or happened 50-70 years ago- you're gonna hear about it.
The logic of your opinion is flawed as you must assume that those who enter the priesthood-
would rather be married in the first place. Maybe they seek celibacy?
While that could attract more applicants no doubt- would you then have to preclude that single men need not apply?
Would Marriage be mandatorily required then?
Or would clerical mix and match scenario be more appropriate?
Now that’s only looking at it from a cultural perspective, and totally disregards the nature and function of the priesthood-
which I think you don’t fully understand or would comply with.
You probably don’t agree with the in persona Christi nature of the ordained- or value the monastic life that accompanies reverence and contemplation.
These things were certainly born out of scripture which you won’t make any allowance for- but have been part of Christianity since the beginning. Even before... look to the Essenes and the ascetic life of their Priesthood- set apart from cultural norms.
For it is clearly scriptural – from the lips of Christ and his celibate Priesthood:
”…. there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.
Christ speaks here as celibacy as a Gift… something to be received- for the sake of Heaven.
To make oneself chaste in this way- has to separate them from the ordinary. With that a greater respect should be shown- if done for Godly purposes and not sexual. That’s is why a Catholic Nun or Monk take this vow, to serve only God in a life service of total submission.
I would guess that you probably are equating a Catholic Priest celebrating The Mass to a non-Catholic person- with some seminary schooling under their belt - preaching the Bible for a living.
Its apples and oranges.
That is not to diminish preaching the Bible in a non-Catholic way, which there are certainly issues on that side of the fence as well.
But the point being they are 2 very different forms of worship.
Marriage would inhibit and disrupt the Catholic Priesthood in many ways… perhaps mostly causing a great unfairness to a wife who would be second place to the Priest’s altar.
Perhaps that is why Christ- or even St. Paul - never married.
Eastern Catholic priests can marry. Eastern (non-Catholic) churches allow their clerics to marry. A Wiki page titled 'Clerical Marriage' is an interesting read. There are Catholic priests & Bishops with children, who are married. It's generally viewed that the Apostles save Paul were married. The fact that Apostles were married and undoubtedly many of their disciples were married is enough to tell me that "required" celibacy is a man-made requirement.
Eastern Catholic priests cannot marry. Married men may be ordained in the Eastern rite churches.
Perhaps, you preferred that all Catholics stick their heads in the sand and ignore the pink elephant in the Vatican.
The fact that Apostles were married and undoubtedly many of their disciples were married is enough to tell me that "required" celibacy is a man-made requirement
This part is probably not easy for you to see...
But the Priest functions "in the Person of Christ" in his Sacramental capacity, as well in an Apostolic context.
We need to look at Christ's life as a model for the Priesthood...
In the order of Melchezidek. And again, look at the Essene Priesthood.
And yes, some Apostles were married when Christ called them.
Move past that. It's not relevant.
Most men and women were married in the early teens upon reaching puberty.
When Christ arrived on the scene most, if not all, were married.
His theology on celibacy changed all that.
St. Paul in a way mimicked that.
And as Far as you claim that a celibate Priesthood is man- made-
You are 100% correct.
And THAT man's name was Jesus.
His thoughts on Celibacy as service to the Kingdom of God are very scriptural.
You don’t think Jesus had some tough rules?
This closing scripture should shed some light for you
on the priority of marriage and sexual conjugation had when it came to ...the sake of the Kingdom of God...
28 And Peter said, “Lo, we have left our homes and followed you.”
29 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you,
there is no man who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children,
for the sake of the kingdom of God,
will be repaid many times over in this life,
and will have eternal life in the world to come.” "
The RC church is toast. T-O-A-S-T. If you want a church restored, you’ll have to start a new one.
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