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[Catholic Caucus] Rumours from Rome - an Apostolic Constitution from Francis to all but ban the traditonal Latin Mass
Vox Cantoris ^ | January 14, 2023 | Vox Cantoris

Posted on 01/15/2023 2:28:21 PM PST by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] Rumours from Rome - an Apostolic Constitution from Francis to all but ban the traditonal Latin Mass

While you think you may enjoy a peaceful Epiphantide glowing in the light of Christmas the Bishop of Rome has other ideas. If my sources are correct, this is imminent, and be prepared for a Lent of suffering and sorrow. Gloria TV is reporting "rumours" from the German blog, Summorum Pontificum (summorum-pontificum.de) that Pope Francis is preparing to unleash a frontal attack on the traditional Latin Mass through the use of an Apostolic Constitution. 

Whether or not he has waited for Benedict XVI to be out of the picture is moot. Nothing stopped him for nearly a decade. No, this is his outrage that most of the bishops, priests, and laity around the world have ignored Traditionis Custodes and the abusive follow-up from Roche in the Congregation responsible. At this stage, it is rumour. 

Let us pray to God for a quick end to this poison that has inflicted His Church and that we will see a restoration. What I do know is this; fixing this is beyond any ability of any one of us. Only God can destroy this wickedness and restore the faith and when He chooses to act, and I have no doubt He will, it won't be pretty.

I will not go quietly into the night. None of us can.

Drumbeat or rumors?Drumbeat or rumors? (summorum-pontificum.de)

          January 13, 2023

The Roman jungle telegraph, to which we are connected via several stations, does not always work reliably – which is why we usually hold back a bit with the public reproduction of the messages received. Not everything is worth communicating: the fact that Arthur Roche, the head of the authority responsible for the liturgy, reacted to the news of Benedict's death with the words: "Now we can finally sign the document!" seemed to us at best of anecdotal interest.

Now we receive news about the form and content of this document – and they set off all the alarm bells. Then it is about a new Apostolic Constitution, with which Francis, who is highly dissatisfied with the slow implementation of Traditionis Custodes, now finally wants to put an end to the old Mass. Francis, therefore, chose the form of an Apostolic Constitution in order to adhere to the corresponding Constitution Missale Romanum of Paul VI and to emphasize the equality of his current regulations with the 1969 Act of Law.

According to our information, the expected constitution contains 4 main provisions:

In no parish/diocesan church, may the old mass be celebrated.

In diocesan churches it may not be celebrated every Sunday according to the old rite.

The use of the 1962 books (with the modifications ordered by Francis) is only permitted for the celebration of Mass, but not for the administration of sacraments and sacramentals.

Every priest is obliged to celebrate (publicly?) according to Paul VI's missal.

This is the status of our information on 13 January. We keep an eye on the matter and our ears to the telegraph.

         Drumbeat or rumors? (summorum-pontificum.de)


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: antipope; apostatepope; dictatorpope; faithandphilosophy; frankenchurch; romancatholicism

1 posted on 01/15/2023 2:28:21 PM PST by ebb tide
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Not everything is worth communicating: the fact that Arthur Roche, the head of the authority responsible for the liturgy, reacted to the news of Benedict's death with the words: "Now we can finally sign the document!" seemed to us at best of anecdotal interest.

2 posted on 01/15/2023 2:30:25 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Didn’t he already? Didn’t the earlier Commission find that there was no way to ban the Latin mass?


3 posted on 01/15/2023 2:31:31 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: ebb tide

Someone must have put this up to him. Early in his papacy he didn’t care about how widespread the Latin Mass was.


4 posted on 01/15/2023 2:32:11 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: ebb tide

the “humanists” communicate with their “higher power” in computer coding language. The intend to subordinate the world to their finite, limited capacity with that language

‘They” see Latin as the language by which humans reach out to the infinite, to the supernatural, to God and intend to ban human access to those resources.


5 posted on 01/15/2023 2:40:23 PM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: ebb tide

just die already... there, i said it


6 posted on 01/15/2023 2:47:25 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: ebb tide

I want the original Church to return. Where can I find it, They have all become woke and ‘of this world’ I pray we can return to the glory, if not for my sake but for my childrens sake.


7 posted on 01/15/2023 2:48:33 PM PST by Conservative4Life (thy merchants were great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev18:23)
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To: nickcarraway

At the time he issued TC, Bergoglio asserted that the TLM was “blocking the Church’s path.” I think it’s fair to conclude that someone convinced him that the TLM subculture was somehow to blame for the failure of his pontificate to spark a renaissance of Catholic liberalism. On one level, perhaps that looks like little more than scapegoating. On the other hand, it’s not totally irrational when the TLM subculture have indeed been among his fiercest Internet critics.


8 posted on 01/15/2023 2:54:57 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: ebb tide

Another response of Vatican II.


9 posted on 01/15/2023 7:46:38 PM PST by chopperk
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To: ebb tide

Are not these two paragraphs at least inconsistent with each other? If not, what is the difference in a diocesan church and a parish/diocesan church?

“In no parish/diocesan church, may the old mass be celebrated.

In diocesan churches it may not be celebrated every Sunday according to the old rite.”


10 posted on 01/16/2023 5:19:19 PM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: tomsbartoo

I noticed that also and can’t explain the difference; unless it refers to diocesan churches operated by the FSSP.

If so, Bergoglio is already reneging on his promise to the FSSP to leave them alone.


11 posted on 01/16/2023 5:27:52 PM PST by ebb tide
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