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To: ebb tide; daniel1212

From the Catechism:

“Catholics honor (or venerate) the Blessed Mother; they do not worship her. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (the official teaching of the Church) teaches that worship (or adoration) is meant for God alone. Catholics as well as the Orthodox and some older Protestant groups venerate Mary and the Saints.”

Anybody who wants to argue what Catholics do or don’t do, believe and don’t believe, will simply consult the catechism. Any Catholic believing and acting outside of the catechism is not doing so in accordance with Catholicism

People may get as feisty and as angry as they want in response and in their argument. But it doesn’t change this fact


6 posted on 12/30/2022 5:15:39 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

The word ‘venerate’ comes from the Latin ‘veneris’ which means ‘to worship’.


22 posted on 12/30/2022 5:45:32 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: stanne
r. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (the official teaching of the Church) teaches that worship (or adoration) is meant for God alone. Catholics as well as the Orthodox and some older Protestant groups venerate Mary and the Saints.” Anybody who wants to argue what Catholics do or don’t do, believe and don’t believe, will simply consult the catechism. Any Catholic believing and acting outside of the catechism is not doing so in accordance with Catholicism

The problem with this standard apologetic should be obvious, for it rests upon the subjective judgment of what worship is, and which is not defined by simply one word.

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, even with adulation, attributes, glory and titles never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers addressed to them, and beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them. Which would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine by playing word games they avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Instead they should do what Mary and every believer in every prayer to Heaven did (and I should do more of), which was to pray directly to the Lord, not secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Instead Caths basically say,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

82 posted on 12/30/2022 7:16:17 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: stanne
Anybody who wants to argue what Catholics do or don’t do, believe and don’t believe,

will simply consult the catechism.


Darned good idea!

205 posted on 12/31/2022 5:47:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stanne
Anybody who wants to argue what Catholics do or don’t do, believe and don’t believe,

will simply ignore what their lyin' eyes tell them.


206 posted on 12/31/2022 5:49:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stanne
Anybody who wants to argue what Catholics do or don’t do, believe and don’t believe,

will simply ignore the men behind the curtain.


207 posted on 12/31/2022 5:49:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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