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Do Catholics Really Worship the Virgin Mary?
Remnant Newspaper ^ | May 1894 | Hugo Klapproth

Posted on 12/30/2022 4:55:49 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: MeganC
[T]o say one venerates is to say one worships.
Horse hockey. From Cassell’s:
veneror -ari, dep. (act. venero -are: PL.).
(1) to ask reverently, beseech with awe: nil horum veneror, Hor.; with ut or ne and subj.: Pl.
(2) to revere, respect, worship, honour: deos sancte, Cic.: Larem farre pío, Verg.: secundum deos nomen Romanum, Liv.: Augustum, Hor.: perf. partic. in pass. sense: Verg., Hor.
Note that the secondary translation worship appears before the English spelling for honour. Worship is listed here in its Middle English sense of ‘dignity,’ ‘honor’ or ‘reputation’ (related to the word ‘worth’).
61 posted on 12/30/2022 6:44:31 PM PST by eastsider
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62 posted on 12/30/2022 6:45:14 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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To: P-Marlowe
There you go again with a straw man.

Catholics don't worship Mary. But if you don't venerate Mary as Jesus Christ's Mother, you are disrespecting Her.

63 posted on 12/30/2022 6:47:47 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

What I witness is worship.

Carry on.


64 posted on 12/30/2022 6:51:23 PM PST by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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To: P-Marlowe

May God remove the scales from your eyes.


65 posted on 12/30/2022 6:52:23 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: metmom

You do realize that the reference to graven images and bowing down in Exodus 20 is part of the First Commandment prohibition against idolatry and not a separate commandment (yes, I know that Protestants incorrectly count it as a separate commandment) against graven images per se. God himself commanded that graven images were to be placed above the arc. He also commanded the creation of the graven bronze serpent. Jesus did not condemn anyone when presented a coin with the image of Caesar. Thus, outside of the context of idolatry—and Catholics do not worship Mary as a god—there is no violation of the commandment.


66 posted on 12/30/2022 6:55:03 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: ebb tide

Why are you changing the subject. Did I tell you who you could or could not worship?

I pointed out that your actions violate the second commandment. If you do recognize that as worship after all, then that is a tacit admission on your part at we are correct.

If you don’t want to be accused of worshipping Mary, then don’t violate the second commandment. Either don’t make carved or graven images of people and bow down before them in servitude and prayer, or destroy them and pray to the Father only as Jesus taught us in the Lord’s prayer.

Otherwise, you will be called out for doing what is visibly obvious that you are doing.


67 posted on 12/30/2022 7:03:04 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: MeganC

PWND


68 posted on 12/30/2022 7:03:43 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: MeganC
The word ‘venerate’ comes from the Latin ‘veneris’ which means ‘to worship’.

The Latin veneror has a broader meaning than just "worship." An additional meaning listed in Lewis and Short, A Latin Dictionary, is:

With men or things as objects, to revere, do homage to, reverence, honor.
There is even a Catholic saint who is called the Venerable Bede, who is clearly not worshipped as a god.
69 posted on 12/30/2022 7:05:42 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Fiji Hill
Protestants only pray and sing hymns to the triune God.

Pray tell, do you not realize that you pray to someone anytime that you ask for a favor?

70 posted on 12/30/2022 7:08:42 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: ebb tide
See post #7. I don't tell prots what they believe; I'm not a mind reader.

BWAHAHAHA!!!!

See post #19 by ebb tide….QUOTE (copied and pasted) “ Well if, you and others, can tell me and fellow catholics whom we worship; I can tell y’all that you worship Lucifer. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” UNQUOTE

71 posted on 12/30/2022 7:09:44 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Welcome to Daniel’s Club.


72 posted on 12/30/2022 7:09:56 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Did someone post this hoping to get everyone riled up going into a long weekend?

The short answer is, “Who cares?” Catholics can do what they want. Mormons can do what they want. Even Baptists can do whatever their wives tell them to do.

Some folks on this site are so stuck in their own dogma, they argue over what someone practicing another religion does for their God. I expect that from some religions—but not from Christians.


73 posted on 12/30/2022 7:10:12 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: metmom

So you admit it?


74 posted on 12/30/2022 7:10:31 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: MeganC
Still, to say one venerates is to say one worships.

Not true. I can also mean to offer respect.

75 posted on 12/30/2022 7:10:49 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: ebb tide

Exactly. Catholics have great respect for the Blessed Mother. But, we do not worship her as God.


76 posted on 12/30/2022 7:11:03 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: ebb tide; P-Marlowe

And what he will still see is people bowing down before carved or graven images, which is a clear violation of one of the Ten Commandments.


77 posted on 12/30/2022 7:12:06 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: Vermont Lt
Even Baptists can do whatever their wives tell them to do.

Lol!!

(I hope non-Baptists are allowed to laugh at that!)

😉

Merry Christmas!🎄

78 posted on 12/30/2022 7:12:46 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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To: Petrosius

OK, first one or second one. It doesn’t make any difference.

Bowing down before a statue STILL violates a clear, concise, unequivocal command of God.


79 posted on 12/30/2022 7:13:56 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: ebb tide

No, just pointing out you hypocrisy of your claim that you are not telling people who they worship when you did so upthread.


80 posted on 12/30/2022 7:15:25 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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