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To: Elsie
So Elsie's salvation is conditional, conditioned on Elsie never being manipulated by the most evil and guileful spirit int he Universe. So you are stronger than Satan! Wow, I didn't realize the level of your splendidness. Friend, YOU cannot maintain your position In Christ for it is God Who put you there knowing you could never achieve it by your work. So just keep believing your work is worth so much ... you will find out some where/when that ONLY God can save you and keep you via His Spirit in your spirit.

Frankly, I am seeing your position as unbelief that God saves to the uttermost, as you tout your inference that you can lose what only God can give and ONLY God can maintain.

64 posted on 12/09/2022 3:09:04 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
Frankly, I am seeing your position as unbelief that God saves to the uttermost, as you tout your inference that you can lose what only God can give and ONLY God can maintain.

True, GOD saves to the uttermost, but GOD does NOT force you to continue to believe against your will.

You wanna think you're changed into a religious robot when you get saved, go right ahead.

But I will not claim it will affect your salvation.

70 posted on 12/09/2022 10:07:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
Friend, YOU cannot maintain your position In Christ for it is God Who put you there knowing you could never achieve it by your work. So just keep believing your work is worth so much ... you will find out some where/when that ONLY God can save you and keep you via His Spirit in your spirit.

I see that you have equated 'believing' as a type of work.

I do not.

I have always maintained that one is saved by grace and one is kept by grace as well.

71 posted on 12/09/2022 10:11:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN; Elsie; metmom; SouthernClaire
>>. . . God saves to the uttermost . . .<<

Hebrews 7:25 (AV):
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 
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2 Timothy 1:12 (AV):
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 
. . . . . . .
Heb 12:22 -24 (AV):
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,  23To the general assemblypanegyria and churchekklesia of the firstborn, which are written* in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,  24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 
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* where my name is written forever
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Col 3:3-4 (AV):
3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.  4When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. ===============
The theologian who is not entirely convinced that when he/she agrees to accept The Father's gift of everlasting life which entails Jesus having with His Shed Blood purchased that person's body, soul, spirit, sins (past, present, and future), as well as everything one thinks that he/she owns, in which process he/she has irreversibly been judicially adopted as the child of God, and that the transaction of change of masters is never to be rescinded; and thinks he/she has the power to nullify this transaction; in fact has not fully exercised commitment of self to the Savior of everything one is or can be, wherefore no matter what one professes has not been redeemed as was Enoch and Noah and Abraham and Job and David and Elijah and John Baptist.

That person has not "lost' the salvation that he/she professes to have gotten; but rather lacks having given over that last teeny bit of TOTAL release of self into the Savior's comprehensive ownership and care, without which neither Jesus nor His Father moves forward, regardless of one's enthusiasm, and the Spirit takes not up residence to assure the conclusion of this induction into newness of life.

The Scriptures have convinced me that the person siding with Arminianism, and chides others who do not likewise affiliate with it, are like the Eliphaz the Temanite that took up the unauthorized role of scolding the Job who in the end pled for Jehovah's mercy on his own depraved, abhorrent self, and saw the LORD's righteousness and love for him prevail, as he had presupposed.

This is true:

Jesus Saves

No one or thing else other than Him, and His Perfect Salvation is instantaneously effective and irrevocable.

76 posted on 12/10/2022 1:48:38 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux (Let There Be [God's] Light!))
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