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To: Elsie
From the link you likely did not read:

2. SOUL SLEEP

SDAsELSIE denies deny that believers on death go to heaven. They Elsie say that believers go to soul sleep in the grave until Christ’s return. JW’s, Christadelphians and other false groups believe this error.

The main verses disproving the soul sleep error are:

1. Philippians 1:23 — “I am in a straight betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and TO BE WITH CHRIST; which is far better.”

2. 2 Corinthians 5:8 — “To be absent from the body (death), and to be PRESENT WITH THE LORD.” (in heaven)

3. Hebrews 12:1 — “We are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITNESSES”. (The departed believers discussed in Hebrews 11)

4. Hebrews 12:23-24 — “The heavenly Jerusalem ... the church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven and to the SPIRITS of just men made perfect”.

5. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 — “Them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING WITH HIM”. This means that when Christ returns to resurrect believers bodies at the second coming, He brings our spirits and souls with Him from heaven

6. Revelation 6:9-10 — “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God ... they cried with a loud voice saying...”

7. Isaiah 14:9-10 — “Hell from beneath ... stirs up the dead for thee. All they shall speak and say to thee.”

8. Ezekiel 32:21 — “The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell ...”

9. Ezekiel 32:30-31 — “The Zidonians which are gone down with the slain ... Pharaoh shall see them and shall be comforted, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword.”

10. Luke 16:19-31 — the rich man and Lazarus who had died spoke to each other.

These 9 scriptures show soul sleep of SDAs and our friend Elsie to be false.

135 posted on 12/11/2022 8:41:49 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Your ‘9’ against the 7 that I posted.

I guess you win.

BTW... just WHO are the DEAD IN CHRIST?

And where are they located right now?

This RAPTURE thing; just HOW is that going to work?


137 posted on 12/12/2022 4:15:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
About your two MAIN verses...
1. Philippians 1:23 — “I am in a straight betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and TO BE WITH CHRIST; which is far better.”

2. 2 Corinthians 5:8 — “To be absent from the body (death), and to be PRESENT WITH THE LORD.” (in heaven)

Is THIS what you are trying to say?? ---> ‘to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord’


Sorry; but IS TO BE is not found among any of the following translations...

 
2 Corinthians 5:8
 
New International Version
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

New Living Translation
Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

English Standard Version
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Berean Study Bible
We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Berean Literal Bible
Now we are confident and are pleased rather to be absent out of the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

New American Standard Bible
we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

New King James Version
We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

King James Bible
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Christian Standard Bible
In fact, we are confident, and we would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Contemporary English Version
We should be cheerful, because we would rather leave these bodies and be at home with the Lord.

Good News Translation
We are full of courage and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and be at home with the Lord.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.

International Standard Version
We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from this body and to live with the Lord.

NET Bible
Thus we are full of courage and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

New Heart English Bible
We are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because of this we trust and we long to depart from the body and to be with Our Lord.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
We are confident and prefer to live away from this body and to live with the Lord.

New American Standard 1977
we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Jubilee Bible 2000
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

King James 2000 Bible
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

American King James Version
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

American Standard Version
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Darby Bible Translation
we are confident, I say, and pleased rather to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.

English Revised Version
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

Webster's Bible Translation
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Weymouth New Testament
So we have a cheerful confidence, and we anticipate with greater delight being banished from the body and going home to the Lord.

World English Bible
We are courageous, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

Young's Literal Translation
we have courage, and are well pleased rather to be away from the home of the body, and to be at home with the Lord.
 

138 posted on 12/12/2022 4:29:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
Don't feel too badly, 'cause even other folks seem to be misinformed as well:

To Be Absent from the Body Is to Be Present with the Lord Meaning (KJV)

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” (2 Corinthians 5:8 KJV)


See what selective "quoting" gets ya?

 

Conclusion

Paul’s life is an inspiration for any Christian. He lived in the expectation of the moment when he would be “absent from the body,” knowing that when that happened, he would be “present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:8 KJV). Everything he did was permeated by this conviction and by his love for the Lord and His Church.


https://connectusfund.org/to-be-absent-from-the-body-is-to-be-present-with-the-lord-meaning-kjv

139 posted on 12/12/2022 4:37:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
Luke 18:13-14

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


(I'm going to be standing next to this guy when the BoL is opened to see if my name is there.)

140 posted on 12/12/2022 4:46:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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