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To: chuckles

No one worships Christmas trees.

Also, you should say “Jesus was born” not “The human Jesus was worn”.

Your language is bifurcating the two natures of Jesus - the Divine and the human. That’s a no-no for Christians, and even if meant in a proper sense, is far worse a practice than having a Christmas tree.


6 posted on 12/01/2022 3:40:33 AM PST by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

I don’t see how saying “The human Jesus was born” separates the two natures of Christ. The human part of him was indeed born, but that doesn’t take away his divinity, it just solidifies that he is the God Man (God the Son). I think it is clearer to those who don’t understand the two natures. Atheists and non-trinitarians could use your argument and say “see, Jesus was born (created)”. You give them fuel for the objections.


7 posted on 12/01/2022 4:30:36 AM PST by GMThrust
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To: vladimir998
John 1:1 says The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. Verse 14 says the Word became flesh and He dwelt among us. The actual word for "dwelt" is Tabernacled. Jesus had the complete Godhead inside Him, but His form at this time was Human. God took many forms in Scripture, such as a burning bush, Angels, a cloud, a tower of fire, ect. This time it was in the form of a Human. Luke tells us the Holy Spirit placed the seed in Mary's womb.

If you read the Scriptures correctly, you will see what is called Theophanies before the birth of Jesus. If Jesus is truly God, then he formed the earth in Genesis, and nothing formed was made without Him. He was the one that appeared before Joshua as The Commander of the Lord's Army. He wrestled with Jacob and injured his leg, and many other appearances in the Old Testament.

What you are arguing is there is more than one God. What Scripture says is there is but one God that can appear in many forms. Instead of using the word "Trinity", it would be more accurate to use "The Triune God", or One God in 3 forms. In order to pay the sin price for Adam, Jesus appeared in human form otherwise He couldn't pay the wages anymore than apples and oranges are the same fruit.

I always have this question for people that read the Bible and call themselves "Christian", "When you know that Christmas was a made up holiday to celebrate a pagan god, why would you continue to celebrate it using what is clearly forbidden in Scripture. Every year I watch Christians bend into a pretzel trying to make a pagan day fit into some kind of "Holy Day". Something Holy is set apart only to God. What is Santa Clause, Christmas trees, elves, reindeer, ect. What does Easter rabbits, chicken eggs, ect, have to do with the death of Jesus or His Resurrection? These are all man made holidays substituted with what God Himself prescribed in Leviticus 23, and Jesus observed them all.( what would Jesus do= what did Jesus do?) Jesus never put up a tree in His home or hunted Easter eggs. He observed Passover and Tabernacles as Scripture taught.

When the angel declared His name to be "Emanuel" he was saying that God was with them just as He was in the wilderness Tabernacle. When Jesus returns to earth, He will appear as the Lion of Judah, not the Lamb of God. To learn more about that just read Revelation and there is a description of Him there.

Zech 14:16 says in the Last Days God will require earthings to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Christmas is about the birth of Tammuz. He was the son of Nimrod, a type of Antichrist.

If you know Christ was born on Tabernacles and not Dec 25th, why would you continue celebrating the wrong day when God has provided the proper days to observe and what to do on those days. You can't make stuff up and please God.

If you read Joshua, you will see the northern king set up 2 golden calves and worship them on the wrong days and use non-Levite priests so as not to compete with the southern kingdom. He chose the eighth month, fifteenth day vs. the true day on the seventh month, fifteenth day.

Jos 24:14 "Now therefore, fear the Lord, serve Him in sincerity and in truth, and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the River and in Egypt. Serve the Lord!

Jos 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

13 posted on 12/01/2022 11:10:37 AM PST by chuckles
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To: vladimir998
...."Jesus was born” not “The human Jesus was born”.

The baby Jesus had the Spirit of God inserted into a human body. Several times in Scripture we can se that Jesus appeared before the Human baby appeared. Melchizedek is only one example. The Angel that appeared to Joshua was another. Anytime you see "Angel: with a capital "A" it's a theophony of Jesus in His celestial body.

Humans are clay containers that holds a soul and a spirit. Jesus had the Holy Spirit in His body. He was fully God and fully man because a horse couldn't pay the sin price for man. A man had to die to cover the sin price for Adam. You might hear that we aren't under the Law anymore, but Matt 5 says that we are, in red writing. The price Jesus paid for us on the cross was the Law of sin and death. If we sin we won't die if we trust that Jesus died for that sin, but the Commandments are still in effect. Not one jot or tittle will pass from the Law. Putting up a Christmas tree is against the Law of worshiping idols. For me, acting like a tree has any significance to the life of Christ is no different than choosing to observe Sunday instead of what God said several times about the Sabbath in Exodus and Leviticus. You aren't automatically going to hell if you have a Christmas tree, but why go against what Scripture plainly says and dare God to say anything about it. It's no different than saying "I know the day to worship God is on the Sabbath, but I choose to go on Sunday and dare Him to say something about it." Scripture says that if you sin on purpose, you will suffer many stripes if you know what you are doing. Its no different that a believer saying that Homosexual love is as good as approved love so what's the problem? God has specifically disapproved homosexuality so you are shaking your fist in God's face and screaming at Him like a petulant child. Jer 10:4 specifically says a tree in the house with gold and silver is a pagan practice and should be avoided. Why would a Christian say "I don't care, I'm going to have a Tree and there's nothing God can do about it". It's just open sin and you are laying another stripe on the back of Jesus and pounding the nails in deeper.

29 posted on 12/27/2022 12:19:26 PM PST by chuckles
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