Posted on 11/30/2022 4:42:34 PM PST by grumpa
Get out your Bible and turn to Daniel 9:24-27. If the Antichrist is not actually found in this passage, dispensationalism unravels. While dispensationalists may have different systems to find the Antichrist in this passage, here’s one way that they interpret this:
Per Daniel 9:26 the prince (who was to come) that destroyed the city and sanctuary must be a future descendent of the Romans who destroyed the city and sanctuary in AD 70. It is merely ASSUMED that this person is the Antichrist. It is the Antichrist who, sometime in our future, will make (“confirm”) a covenant with Israel, and then break it 3 ½ years later. It is merely ASSUMED that the Abomination of Desolation happens to a future rebuilt temple. Jesus will return and rule the world from the new temple. There will be renewed animal sacrifices in this new temple.
There are so many problems with this scheme! Let us count the ways:
1. There was only one temple, along with its destruction, in front of Daniel. It was Herod’s temple of the first century. Jesus told his followers that THEY would witness the Abomination of Desolation (i.e. the desecration of the temple) spoken of by Daniel (Matthew 24:15). The dispensational scheme ignores Jesus’ clear teaching about the timing of the Abomination of Desolation and destruction of the temple (Matthew 24:2): It would occur while some of those in the first century were still alive (Matthew 23:34)―soon after Jerusalem was surrounded by armies (Luke 21:20).
2. Scholars generally see the four kingdoms of Daniel 2 and 7 as Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. The fifth kingdom is clearly the initiation of Christ’s kingdom as it is described as an everlasting kingdom (Daniel 2:44; 7:27). So, the prophetic story line of Daniel ends in the first century during the Roman empire and work of Christ.
3. Notice a slight-of-hand. The dispensational scheme pushes the prince of 9:26 (who was to come) 2,000 years past what the text says. Daniel 9:26 is perfectly clear that the prince who was to come would destroy the city and sanctuary. The prince here had to be a first century figure, since that’s when the city and sanctuary were destroyed! Note that there are two princes mentioned in the text (9:25 and 9:26). The first one is clearly Messiah Jesus. And Acts 6:14 tells us that Jesus taught that He himself would destroy the city and temple. So, the second prince may have been Jesus. But it could also have been the Roman general Titus who was in command of the army that destroyed the city and temple. That makes sense because it was Titus (“he” of 9:27) that was directly responsible for the end to sacrifices and offerings when the temple came down in AD 70.
4. The prince of 9:26 could not be the Antichrist. The Antichrist is not even mentioned in Daniel 9. To think so is reading something into the text that is not there. The inspired writer John insisted that the Antichrist (or at least his spirit) was ALREADY IN THE WORLD as he was writing (1 John 4:3). Since John insisted that THEY were ALREADY in the LAST HOUR (1 John 2:18), the imminency of the message precludes a far future fulfillment. To say that a bogeyman antichrist is still in our future is simply not biblical.
5. The covenant with Israel most certainly references the change of the covenants leading to the new covenant in Christ. This is extensively discussed in the book of Hebrews, especially chapter 8. The old covenant was washed away in AD 70 when God judged old covenant Jerusalem. That’s when the temple was destroyed, and along with it the cessation forever of temple rituals and sacrifices. The priesthood also ended forever, as Jesus became our new high priest (Hebrews 2:17; 4:14). This marked the end of the old covenant allowing the new covenant in Jesus to flourish to its fullest (Hebrews 8:13).
6. What about the 7-year tribulation? It’s no coincidence that the first half (3 ½ years) coincides precisely with the final assault on Jerusalem by the Romans under Vespasian and his son Titus―from February/March AD 67 to August/September AD 70 when the temple was demolished. The second half (also 3 ½ years) coincides with the second half of the Jewish-Roman War which ended when the Romans took the fortress of Masada in late AD 73 or early AD 74.
Very interesting. I will check out your website. Thx.
You’re so funny with your one note campaign about dispensationalism 🤗
I always smile when I see another thread.
To say that a bogeyman antichrist is still in our future is simply not biblical.
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So,,,,
No one world gov ?
No one world religion ?
No one world currency ?
No mark of the beast ?
( all those things are being assembled as seen in the news )
And we are in the millennium and the lambs are laying with lions ?
Nero was the A/C and he somehow enforced a “mark” on Mayans and Chinese laborers in unexplored parts of the world.
There is so much fear out there that gullible unread Christians fall for this nonsense.
Your One World Gov’t is right around the corner. It’s going to contain the evil trinity of:
*CBDC Social Credit
*WHO Enforced Vaccines & Other Treatments
*Religious Ecumenism with their new “10 Commandments”
Watch for Israel. That is the End Times placemarker. 1948 it became a country in ONE DAY = Isaiah 66:8
Preterist Theology is actually pretty evil because it denies Israel her rightful place before The Lord as His Nation. His Covenant with them never ended nor will it ever.
The first Christians were Jews.
The last Christians will be Jews too = Psalm 107:6 & Zechariah 12:10
Preterist Theology is actually pretty evil because it denies Israel her rightful place before The Lord as His Nation. His Covenant with them never ended nor will it ever.
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Yup.
Preterism is Jew hate in its purest form.
It has driven murder by the millions through the centuries.
I was not the best student in History class, but....
I don’t recall hearing when Armageddon occurred, perhaps these preterests can tell us the date.
I also would like to know who’s playing Satan in these last days, since Satan was supposedly chained and bound when cast into the bottomless pit. Rev. 20:1-3
When was the White Throne Judgement? Rev. 20:11-15
When was the Second Coming of Christ? Rev. 19:11-16
We must be living under the Authority of the New Heaven and the New Earth? And the “New Jerusalem” isn’t what I expected. Rev. 21:9-27
As for THIS dispensationalist, I’m looking forward to the Eternal Dispensation. ;>))
It won’t be long Bro, keep looking up. We will ALL stand before Jesus, but some of us will see Him at least seven years sooner.
BTW, here is what’s in store for those desiring to remain...
Biblical End Times | Rapture ? Great Tribulation - New Creation | Cinematic Documentary [ Rev 1:8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X0qL0JcX_UE&t=183s
“Preterist Theology is actually pretty evil because it denies Israel her rightful place before The Lord as His Nation.”
The Lord ended Israel as a nation in 70 AD. Was that evil?
Jesus taught about the church as his bride in the New Testament, not a nation.
The Lord ended Israel as a nation in 70 AD. Was that evil?
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No, it was prophecy,
( when did Israel take refuge in Petra btw ? A.D.. 70 ?)
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Jesus taught about the church as his bride in the New Testament, not a nation.
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Exactly.
The church is the bride.
The Nation is Israel.
The Lord ended Israel as a nation in 70 AD. Was that evil?
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No, it was prophecy,
( when did Israel take refuge in Petra btw ? A.D.. 70 ?)
As Israel being driven before the nations but would return and the nation reborn as from dry bones was prophecy that was fulfilled in 1948.
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Jesus taught about the church as his bride in the New Testament, not a nation.
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Exactly.
The church is the bride.
The Nation is Israel.
Was that evil?
Is spanking a child evil ?
It was/is discipline.
Rev 3:19 - Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.
——>Preterist Theology is actually pretty evil
So is Futurist Theology. Know anyone who believes it that?
The Reformers were all Historicists.
—>Preterist Theology is actually pretty evil
So is Futurist Theology
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Don’t know of any “ futurist’s”
who call Jews Christ killers
and kill thousands and even
millions .
Do you ?
There’s evil and then there’s pure evil, and preterism is the one that’s killed millions of Jews last couple thousand years.
Just sayin.
There’s evil and then there’s pure evil,
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And preterism has proven itself both.
It was preterism that was the one that’s killed millions of Jews last couple thousand years.
Don’t know of any “ futurist’s”
who call Jews Christ killers
and kill thousands and even
millions .
Do you ?
There’s evil and then there’s pure evil, and preterism is the one that’s killed millions of Jews last couple thousand years.
Just sayin.
Historicists (Reformers) were tortured and murdered by the tens of millions (150 million+, just during the inquisition, not to mention millions more, previously, over the almost 1000 years since taking power in 538 AD), by the Antichrist power, the Catholic church. They introduced FUTURISM, which is none other than the PTR doctrine, that nearly every single Christian today believes in.
The Catholic church also tortured/murdered Jews, and anyone else that didn’t conform to their doctrines. It is all a matter of documented history.
Titus killed a million to a million and a half Jews. He was a paleo-pagan.
I don't know anyone else in the past two thousand years who can legitimately be blamed for killing millions of Jews.
Bullpuckey. All the Inquisitions in history put together didn't have a death toll over 15,000. None of the Inquisitions were set up specifically to persecute Protestants, either.
——>All the Inquisitions in history put together didn’t have a death toll over 15,000.
Oh?
http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/Number-of-Protestants-Killed-By-Popes.html
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