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HAPPY REFORMATION DAY
monergism ^ | 1650 | Martin Luther

Posted on 10/31/2022 5:45:07 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555

I felt that I was a sinner before God with an extremely disturbed conscience. I could not believe that he was placated by my satisfaction. I did not love, yes, I hated the righteous God who punishes sinners, and secretly, if not blasphemously, certainly murmuring greatly, I was angry with God, and said, "As if, indeed, it is not enough, that miserable sinners, eternally lost through original sin, are crushed by every kind of calamity by the law of the decalogue, without having God add pain to pain by the gospel and also by the gospel threatening us with his righteousness and wrath!"

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TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; History; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: church; gospel; luther; reformation; romandeformation
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“to recover the Gospel of Grace and set His Word free,”

Glad you said “REcover”, since ML did exactly that. The Gospel of Grace existed before charlatans hijacked the Christian religion, and King brought it back to its roots.


61 posted on 11/01/2022 4:16:24 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Disappointment is inevitable, but discouragement is a choice.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
when ya invent purgatory, you also have to invent a way to lessen its grasp on a soul.

Thank you Mary!!



9.I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

Should one require Purgatorial cleansing after death, Our Lady will make a special effort to obtain our release from Purgatory through Her intercession as Advocate.


Reminder: these promises mean that, by faithfully and devoutly praying the Rosary,

Our Lady will obtain for us the necessary Graces to obtain said promises.

It is still up to each individual soul to respond to those Graces in order to obtain salvation.

 


http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/prayer/15promise.htm

62 posted on 11/01/2022 4:25:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MayflowerMadam

King?


63 posted on 11/01/2022 4:26:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Not King ... Luther.


64 posted on 11/01/2022 4:34:01 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Disappointment is inevitable, but discouragement is a choice.)
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To: Elsie

I know. LOL! My cup of covfefe hasn’t kicked in yet. Brain fog.


65 posted on 11/01/2022 4:37:35 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Disappointment is inevitable, but discouragement is a choice.)
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To: Elsie

“Thank you Mary!!”

Un-tier of knots. 🙄


66 posted on 11/01/2022 4:39:05 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Disappointment is inevitable, but discouragement is a choice.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
Don’t forget me! You’ll see me, too.

🤪😆😂👍

67 posted on 11/01/2022 4:44:30 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: Elsie
Our Lady will obtain for us the necessary Graces to obtain said promises.

Are these called signal graces? Even when I was a Catholic, I didn’t ever remember hearing that term. I haven’t recited the rosary, since sometime back in the last century. 🤪🤗🤭 Actually, well back into the last century. 🤭😆

68 posted on 11/01/2022 4:57:09 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: MHGinTN
The very first questions reveals a conflation of the term 'church', conflating the organization with the spiritual entity begun on the Day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit descended to abide int he spirit of the believers.

The church in Acts 2 was visible, had a visible leadership (hint: they gave a sermon to people), and therefore had, and was, an organization, albeit one with a very simple structure.

Why don't you try answering the question, instead of casting aspersions on the person asking it?

69 posted on 11/01/2022 5:29:18 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Campion
“How is it possible for the church to have even existed prior to AD 90 without the NT?”

Scripture is special revelation delivered by God through his prophets. Jesus and all the Apostles were the NT prophets. Thus everything they taught and preached was scripture. Once John died the only scripture left was the writings of the Apostle’s preaching, either first or second hand. Each book of the New Testament was taught and preached in one or more churches from it’s inception. When these books were being written Christianity had spread to at least 3 continents, thus not every congregation was familiar with each book of scripture. But the NT as we know it today has existed from the time each book was written. It took a while for the widespread church to become familiar with each book and convinced of its provenance.

70 posted on 11/01/2022 7:06:47 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Elsie
Ha ! lol...
Loved the GIF !
yeah those pesky Jews... Lesson NOT learned !...

About that "fanatical devotion to the Pope" thing though,
Pope Francis might have a slightly different take on that...


71 posted on 11/01/2022 7:13:31 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." )
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To: Elsie

Superb, Elsie!


72 posted on 11/01/2022 7:19:06 AM PDT by SouthernClaire
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To: Elsie
Ah yes, the mysterious, unnamed and undocumented Christian persecution by the Roman Church.

Still no love.
If not for that Roman Church and its "evil" past sins...
You have no Luther to worship... no Reformation to point to...
We'd all be worshipping Mohammed today in the west, on our knees 5 times a day for Allah...
and some of us, praising the Koran as the true sola scriptura.

C'mon ... just an inch.. even Luther knew some truth when he gave credit to the Church for persevering through the centuries,
preserving and giving the Gospel to the world.


73 posted on 11/01/2022 7:30:21 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." )
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To: MayflowerMadam

The average EVANGELICAL church today spends OVER 90% of its budget on staff salary and maintenance/expansion of its physical plant.

Who is getting scammed?

We recently found a church that has a membership of under 200 but a staff of six. All these guys are bivocational... professors, plumbers, window washers, etc. I have never been so happy in a congregation in my 50 years as a believer. I joyfully give to this outfit.


74 posted on 11/01/2022 8:09:17 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: tanstaafl.72555

This thread was not meant to be an uncovering of the wars of the reformation. It is high time the church as a whole says “we are not the good guys here. Jesus is the only good guy.”

The most strident, anti papal, vitriolic condemnation of the papacy were from men who LOVED THE ROMAN CHURCH BECAUSE IT CONTAINED (and contains) GOD’S PEOPLE.

This comes from a guy who once wrote out the “anathemas” in the council of Trent and in place of the “whoever” wrote my name, as in “I Tanstaafl.72555 do affirm that....(whichever part of the gospel Trent damned forever)” I gave them to a friend who was leaving the Reformed church for the Roman church. It upset her in the extreme, but them’s the ways it is.

I believe this girl (and an ex elder in a PCA church where I gave the homily at their wedding) are God’s own. All this is to say that deliberate shutting of one’s mind to clear scriptural teaching is not the exclusive province of the unregenerate.

I believe MANY people in the Roman Church are and will be saved. However they are saved DESPITE the antichrist teachings about the pope, tradition, the mass, and Mariolatry.

It is good to remind myself that if they can be blinded, then so can I.

Again, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox and the lot pronounced imprecations on the papal leadership, not the church as a whole. I would affirm they are antichrist, so long as they hold to the wicked counsels of Trent (and every pope since them affirms them). Not trying to be harsh, but there it is.


75 posted on 11/01/2022 8:22:17 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: MurphsLaw

Charles Martel was THE MAN! Thank you for that.

Also, a group of people in Eastern Europe (can’t recall the details right now). Saw themselves as “saviors of the gospel” against the muslim hordes and fought a terrible battle to stop the advance. You are correct if only in that alone.... .not to mention the fact that the Church was the preserver of learning, general humanity, and decency for centuries where people impaled and ate folks for fun.


76 posted on 11/01/2022 8:26:54 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: tanstaafl.72555

“The average EVANGELICAL church today spends OVER 90% of its budget on staff salary and maintenance/expansion of its physical plant.”

I’ve attended EVANGELICAL churches since I was four days old — my dad’s, my uncles’, my cousins’, and my Seminary friends’ churches.

All had/have zero paid staff except for the pastor himself. All others were volunteers, right down to those who cleaned the churches. I expect there are some mega churches who claim to be evangelical (but aren’t) who pay the staff, but I don’t know any of them.


77 posted on 11/01/2022 8:44:56 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Disappointment is inevitable, but discouragement is a choice.)
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To: Campion

The question is a deceit. I don’t go down those tunnels within tunnels. That’s such a Catholicism run ...


78 posted on 11/01/2022 9:11:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: tanstaafl.72555
I'd throw out Charlemegne... but he battled in the West.

The point being is we tend to look at this formative part of
history anachronistically- through the needs of our own lens- and cant really take in the history for its face value.

CS Lewis had a good point about looking back at the history of witch burning...
We can look back on it now... and say .. tsk.. tsk...bad pilgrim !
Though Lewis reminds us that if we lived back then- and you really did believe witches existed- capable of their evil-
and that they could kill you or put eternal curses on you and your family- and the witches happened to live on your street- and then you in fear of them...
Well hell yes ! One would be perfectly justified to light em' up
to destroy them forever to keep your family and town safe...

Just because we don't believe in it today, doesn't mean it wasn't real back then.


79 posted on 11/01/2022 2:34:02 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." )
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To: MurphsLaw

Well I’m so glad the roman sect was there to help Jesus out. He was so worried how to establish His Church without a Pope to tell Him what to do.


80 posted on 11/01/2022 5:32:44 PM PDT by Mom MD ( )
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