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Irish Catholics demand big changes in church in report sent to Rome
The Irish Times ^ | August 17, 2022 | Patsy McGary

Posted on 08/17/2022 3:59:28 PM PDT by ebb tide

Irish Catholics demand big changes in church in report sent to Rome

Former president Mary McAleese describes the document sent to Rome as ‘explosive, life altering, church altering’

Demands by Irish Catholics for major change in the church’s attitude to women, LGBTI+ people, those who are divorced or remarried, and single parents have been sent to Rome. They have also urged the removal of the mandatory celibacy rule for priests.

In a covering letter sent with a report outlining the demands, Catholic Primate Archbishop Eamon Martin told Cardinal Mario Grech, secretary general of the Synod of Bishops at the Vatican, that it pointed “to many challenges for the handing on of the faith in this country, including a need for inner healing and hope, especially among those who have suffered abuse by church personnel and in church institutions”.

The document, he said, called for “fresh models of responsibility and leadership which will especially recognise and facilitate the role of women, as well as men. Our listening process has identified the need to be more inclusive in outreach, reaching out to those who have left the church behind and, in some cases, feel excluded, forgotten or ignored.”

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Former president Mary McAleese on Tuesday night described the document as “explosive, life altering, dogma altering, church altering”.

The National Synthesis document was based on reports prepared by all 26 Catholic dioceses on the island of Ireland following widespread consultations with many thousands of the faithful since last October. Subsequent reports were all published in June and, with 29 other submissions, were collated into the synthesis sent to Rome and launched on Tuesday.

It is part of worldwide preparations in the Church for a Synod of Bishops called by Pope Francis for October of next year.

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The National Synthesis document calls for radical change in the church’s dealings with women, up to and including ordination to the priesthood. It calls for major changes in its treatment of LGBTI+ people, the divorced and remarried.

It had come “not from the hierarchy, not from Rome, but from the people of God”, facilitated by the “openness of the process” which “was never the case before”, said Ms McAleese. It illustrated “the momentum of the people of God for change”.

“Clearly there was a very, very strong movement for reform and change and this is reflected fairly and truthfully” in the synthesis document, she added. “There’s no denying those voices now. I hope when it is received in Rome it will be fully honoured.”

In particular she referred to the LBGTI+ focus group which prepared its own uncompromising report, published with but separate from the Elphin diocese report. That focus group report had since “gone viral” she said, while “its powerful voice drew particular attention in the national synthesis document”.

She congratulated Bishop of Elphin Kevin Doran for his integrity in publishing that focus group report in its entirety, as agreed with its participants, and for ensuring it would go to Rome as written. “What he did was courageous in the extreme,” she said.

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At a Mass in Knock on Tuesday, during which the document was launched, Auxiliary Bishop of Armagh Michael Router and a member of the synod steering committee which prepared it, said he had been “struck by the pervasive desire to feel a deeper sense of belonging to the church and the call for it to be more inclusive”.

Chairwoman of that synod steering committee Dr Nicola Brady said at the Mass “important questions have been set out for deeper reflection and pastoral action at every level of church life and there will be many more opportunities for people to get involved and help shape this process”.

Fr Tim Hazelwood of the Association of Catholic Priests’ leadership team described the document as “stunning and outstanding”. It was “not trying to uphold any of the old negatives of the past”, he said.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostasy; eussr; fakenews; fartyshadesofgreen; fourthreich; frankenchurch; homos; homosexualagenda; ireland; sinnods
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Bergoglio remained silent in both 2015 and 2018, when the voters in the Republic of Ireland voted to legalize both homo-"marriage" and abortion, respectively.

Of course, he wants to their input in his evil plans for his Frankenchurch.

1 posted on 08/17/2022 3:59:28 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 08/17/2022 3:59:58 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide

Sad and evil to see Ireland throw Christianity itself under the bus.

P.S. To these apostates: God does not change His Word to fit your sick and evil ideology.


3 posted on 08/17/2022 4:05:21 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: ebb tide

Secularism wearing a Catholic skin suit. No thanks.


4 posted on 08/17/2022 4:05:55 PM PDT by yuleeyahoo (The nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one. Hamilton)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

To think of those Irish who chose to starve to death during the Potato Famine, than to take the soup offered to them by the Protestants.


5 posted on 08/17/2022 4:07:02 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ebb tide

If I were a member of an organization, and I didn’t like their rules, I would quit, rather than make them try to change their rules.


6 posted on 08/17/2022 4:07:06 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (81 million votes my ass.)
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To: EvilCapitalist

Perfect description of a “deserter”.

Thanks for your input.


7 posted on 08/17/2022 4:08:24 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide

So, they want Catholics to become Episcopalians.


8 posted on 08/17/2022 4:08:56 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: ebb tide

I’m protestant by the way.


9 posted on 08/17/2022 4:10:28 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (81 million votes my ass.)
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To: ebb tide

Sounds like they are asking the Pope to approve a big monkeypox super-spreader event. Well, they are asking the right Pope. It was only a matter of time before they started really pressing him.


10 posted on 08/17/2022 4:10:36 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Hoes mad! LOL! )
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To: ebb tide
Never thought it was possible for Ireland to sink lower than the UK. By gosh they are running neck-and-neck to the bottom.

11 posted on 08/17/2022 4:11:37 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: EvilCapitalist
That doesn't surprise me. Martin Luther and Henry VIII, both once Catholics, deserted the Church and became protestants.
12 posted on 08/17/2022 4:15:41 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide

The Ape of the Church.


13 posted on 08/17/2022 4:17:19 PM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: ebb tide

I was just pointing out that instead of trying to change the church for the worse like the supposed catholics in the article, I’d leave.


14 posted on 08/17/2022 4:17:56 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (81 million votes my ass.)
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To: EvilCapitalist

I understand your position. But I’m not about to leave the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ for some church founded by a deserter.

FYI, I’m a traditional Catholic and only attend the Traditional Mass.

Like a Tareyton smoker, I’d rather fight than switch.


15 posted on 08/17/2022 4:22:41 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide

I read the bible inside and out. I never heard Jesus say that a priest need to be celibate. The early apostles weren’t. Many popes weren’t. Celibacy is a crime against nature.


16 posted on 08/17/2022 4:26:12 PM PDT by poinq
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To: ebb tide

So, did they include scriptural references to support their requested changes?


17 posted on 08/17/2022 4:27:27 PM PDT by marron
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To: poinq
Did your inside and out bible ever claim it was sola scriptura?

Celibacy is a crime against nature.

Really, now??

I was celibate until my marriage to my wife at age 34. Was I living a crime against nature for the years prior?

18 posted on 08/17/2022 4:33:36 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide

They and the pope might figure this out:

The Catholic Church is not a democratic organization


19 posted on 08/17/2022 4:36:16 PM PDT by stanne
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“ Sad and evil to see Ireland throw Christianity itself under the bus.”

Predictable to see once they gave in to abortion


20 posted on 08/17/2022 4:37:20 PM PDT by stanne
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