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To: daniel1212

Behold your mother, D.

She is beautiful, beyond measure.

She is the pure, 100% human, New Ark, within which God himself miraculously took flesh.

Noone who humbly and lovingly aims at Mary fails to hit the target of Christ Jesus.

She is now the Queen Mother in heaven. Do you really think Jesus, her forever loving and devoted son, can refuse what she gently requests of him, when the only message she conveys is, Do what he tells you?


36 posted on 07/28/2022 5:27:38 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey
...when the only message she conveys is, Do what he tells you?

Which translates to...


Listen to Jesus, not to me.


Which makes it a bit hard to justify the need for Mary to show up on earth numerous times and explain things better.

46 posted on 07/28/2022 5:45:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one guy in new jersey

LOL


60 posted on 07/28/2022 6:40:44 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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61 posted on 07/28/2022 6:43:18 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: one guy in new jersey

“She is now the Queen Mother in heaven.”

LOL! Actually, I think I did read that in the Bible. In the Book Of Hezekiah, IIRC.


62 posted on 07/28/2022 6:43:22 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: one guy in new jersey
"She is the pure, 100% human, She is now the Queen Mother in heaven.

Scripture no more teaches that the Ark typified Mary but contradicts that assertion, then it does the other aspects assigned to the Mary of Catholicism.

Do you really think Jesus, her forever loving and devoted son, can refuse what she gently requests of him, when the only message she conveys is, Do what he tells you?"

Certainly if as on earth, the Lord could even refuse to leave His preaching to come to her, (Matthew 12:47,48) but unlike on earth we have no warrant to presume believers in Heaven ask the Lord to do anything. The only communication is that of martyred believers asking how long it will be before He executes judgment upon the wicked. (Revelation 6:10)

Yet even if believers ask anything this simply does not validate praying to them. Nowhere in Scripture do we see any believers engaging in prayer to created beings in Heaven (PTCBIH), or instructed to do so, despite the Spirit inspiring the recording of over 200 prayers by believers, and despite this being a most basic practice, and despite there always being plenty of created beings to pray to, and occasions for it since the Fall. Yet the only prayers or offerings in Scripture to anyone else in the spiritual world is by pagans, including to the only Queen of Heaven see therein.

Failing to find even one example of PTCBIH, and with instruction on who to address in prayer to Heaven only being that of to the Lord, thus you must resort to eisegetical extrapolation, presuming those in Heaven can not only hear/understand all prayers from earth, mental or oral (which only God is shown able to do), but that we are to address them, though again the Holy Spirit never mentions even one example of doing so.

Meanwhile, from what I recall, any two-way communication btwn created beings in Heaven and earth required both to somehow be present in the same location, and was not that of asking them to intercede to God for them, and was very rare.

Note that elders and angels offering prayers (Rv. 5:8; 8:4,5) in memorial - like as in Lv. 2:2,15,16; 24:7; Num. 5:15; 16:9, "an offering of memorial" cf. Num. 16:9, - is not that of them being addressed in prayer, nor does it indicate that they had heard them previously, nor is it described as being a regular postal service, but it is one of the things which is a preclude to the final judgments upon the earth, testifying to the persecutions of the saints by the devil and world that it fit to be punished.

For when "He maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. (Psalms 9:12; cf. Genesis 4:10) and before judgment God brings forth testimony of the warrant for it, which includes the cry of those martyred souls under the altar in Rv. 6:9, and with odors representing prayer, akin to Leviticus 6:15, "burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour, even the memorial of it, unto the Lord." (Leviticus 6:15)

Nor can Prayer to created beings in Heaven be extrapolated from general commands to pray or from requests for pray from other believers on earth, for this ignores the God-ordained divisions btwn realms. Which is why Christ had to come down to this earth, while only God is shown able to hear all prayer from Heaven, which is a Divine privilege and attribute nowhere shown to be given to humans.

The only heavenly intercessor btwn man and God is said to be Jesus Christ, (1 Timothy 2:5) and by Him believers have immediate spiritual access with humble contrite boldness into the holy of holies in Heaven to pray to the Lord God, (Hebrews 10:19) while the Spirit within believers cries out “Abba, Father,” (Galatians 4:6) and not “Mama, Mother.”

And believers kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods) - including having the uniquely Divine power and glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them - would constitute worship in Scripture.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Thus to obey Jesus as Mary instructed means not thinking of men beyond what is written, which Catholics are egregiously guilty of with their Mary, exalting (officially or with implicit sanction) as,

an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

"surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more.

110 posted on 07/29/2022 5:31:15 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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