Posted on 05/20/2022 10:21:48 PM PDT by Cronos
Please FReepmail me to get on/off the Msgr Charles Pope Ping List.
Addressing the title alone, you are wrong. Jesus is our salvation and not works. We will undergo hardships but they are not necessary to enter heaven.
I endure hardship.
I have. No money, No Nothing.
I talked with Jesus. It is a walk. He put me on a path to help.
I now have a means to help.
+100- We don’t earn eternity in heaven by enduring hardships- -
The hardships are not necessary if a person has already “died daily.”
As that person has already suffered and transcended self, thus allowing them to rise above the suffering.
That is the concept of “rapture.” To rise above the suffering.
This is a two step process. First a person must take their individual will from others by finding freedom from dependency and co-dependency relationships. Only then does a person have authority over their individual will to surrender it to “Our Father” through Jesus.
Tribulation is necessary to get rid of the old. Our individual will must be set free of our ego identity of pride and greed to find humility sufficient to seek God in despair.
The greater the individual strength, the greater the suffering required to break our seed pod to release our soul to God.
If we are full of ourselves, suffering is necessarily to make room for God.
Then the Romans came along and perverted the church. Paul would be shocked what became of the Catholic Church. Never once did anyone come to Paul and ask HIM to forgive their sins, like they do today.
The writer IMO has a bit of cart before horse. In this text as in many others it’s not hardship doing unfinished work by Christ (which is both silly and impossible) but an acknowledgment that, as persons saved, we will as a consequence suffer hardships.
In any sense of reading this the other way it would only (IMO) be cautionary … if one’s behavior and speech align with a sinful world so that nobody sends trouble your way on account of your Christianity, you might want to give that a look.
That the world will treat us poorly is not a surprise. The ONLY requirement to get into heaven is to believe in Him whom God hath sent
Something about a rich man, a camel, and a needle come to mind.
“ Jesus is our salvation and not works. ”
Correct! The Bible makes it clear that no matter how many “good works” we do it will never account for our sins and its ONLY thru the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus on the cross and our acceptance of him as our lord and savior and our repentance that we may live forever in heaven.
Once again the Roman Catholic Church, now led by a wicked Pope, think it is equal to Christ. No man today can judge another man and forgive their sins. No church has the authority to change “one jot or tittle” of the words of God given to us in the Holy Bible.
You need to take that up with Jesus:
So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be to you; just as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, their sins [d]have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.” -- John 20:21-23, NASB
The Bible makes it clear that no matter how many “good works” we do it will never account for our sins and its ONLY thru the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus on the cross and our acceptance of him as our lord and savior and our repentance that we may live forever in heaven.
The Bible also makes it clear that Christians will suffer hardships and must persevere through them with the help of grace:
Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you as well; if they followed My word, they will follow yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you on account of My name, because they do not know the One who sent Me. They will [b]ban you from the synagogue, yet an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering a [c]service to God. -- John 15:20-21, 16:2 NASB
You have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, Nor faint when you are punished by Him;6 For whom the Lord loves He disciplines, And He punishes every son whom He accepts.” 7 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. -- Hebrews 12:5-8, NASB
Lord,
I pray for a nice big man sized problem today for Cronos.
I find that to be a very encouraging prayer, frequently answered...................
Did God take a long vacation and leave nobody minding the store? Was he somehow not omniscient enough to foresee this "Roman perversion" and prevent it? Was he stupid, or perhaps just incompetent?
What about people who are saved when they’re small children?
The only pre-requisite for someone to enter the Kingdom Of Heaven is the status of his salvation. I was saved when I was eight and the biggest hardship I probably had was when I got a peanut better sandwich for lunch instead of egg.
Msgr. Pope’s words are always a feast. Thanks for posting, Cronos.
Murphy we have talked about this. You are wrong. We dont earn salvation, period. Have a nice day
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