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To: Cronos

Addressing the title alone, you are wrong. Jesus is our salvation and not works. We will undergo hardships but they are not necessary to enter heaven.


3 posted on 05/20/2022 10:38:26 PM PDT by Whatever Works
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To: Whatever Works

+100- We don’t earn eternity in heaven by enduring hardships- -


5 posted on 05/20/2022 10:51:18 PM PDT by Bob434 (.)
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To: Whatever Works

The hardships are not necessary if a person has already “died daily.”

As that person has already suffered and transcended self, thus allowing them to rise above the suffering.

That is the concept of “rapture.” To rise above the suffering.

This is a two step process. First a person must take their individual will from others by finding freedom from dependency and co-dependency relationships. Only then does a person have authority over their individual will to surrender it to “Our Father” through Jesus.

Tribulation is necessary to get rid of the old. Our individual will must be set free of our ego identity of pride and greed to find humility sufficient to seek God in despair.

The greater the individual strength, the greater the suffering required to break our seed pod to release our soul to God.


6 posted on 05/20/2022 10:59:50 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Whatever Works

The writer IMO has a bit of cart before horse. In this text as in many others it’s not hardship doing unfinished work by Christ (which is both silly and impossible) but an acknowledgment that, as persons saved, we will as a consequence suffer hardships.

In any sense of reading this the other way it would only (IMO) be cautionary … if one’s behavior and speech align with a sinful world so that nobody sends trouble your way on account of your Christianity, you might want to give that a look.


9 posted on 05/20/2022 11:10:50 PM PDT by No.6
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To: Whatever Works

“ Jesus is our salvation and not works. ”

Correct! The Bible makes it clear that no matter how many “good works” we do it will never account for our sins and its ONLY thru the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus on the cross and our acceptance of him as our lord and savior and our repentance that we may live forever in heaven.

Once again the Roman Catholic Church, now led by a wicked Pope, think it is equal to Christ. No man today can judge another man and forgive their sins. No church has the authority to change “one jot or tittle” of the words of God given to us in the Holy Bible.


12 posted on 05/21/2022 12:22:36 AM PDT by TonyM (Score Event)
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