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I don’t know anyone who thinks Mary is a goddess or gives her the kind of worship due only to God. Even very Marian St. Louis Marie de Montfort wrote that, next to God, Mary is a “mere atom ... nothing”.

I don’t know anyone who thinks Mary is a goddess or gives her the kind of worship due only to God.

They treat her as a demigoddess that goes far beyond Scripture.
They pray to her in a way that was only due God in Scripture.

And of course some exalt her to "Redemptrix."

So when you say you do not know anyone, maybe you do, but you too are in denial?

" And of course some exalt her to "Redemptrix." "

And when asked in an interview in 2000 whether the Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co-redemptrix, then-Cardinal Ratzinger responded that “the response of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, is, broadly, that what is signified by this is already better expressed in other titles of Mary, while the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings” (53).

He went on to say that, “Everything comes from Him [Christ], as the Letter to the Ephesians and the Letter to the Colossians, in particular, tell us; Mary, too, is everything she is through Him. The word “Co-redemptrix” would obscure this origin. A correct intention being expressed in the wrong way. “For matters of faith, continuity of terminology with the language of Scripture and that of the Fathers is itself an essential element; it is improper simply to manipulate language” (God and the world: believing and living in our time, by Pope Benedict XVI, Peter Seewald, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 2000, p. 306

" They treat her as a demigoddess that goes far beyond Scripture. " An understatement, for rather than "learn in us not to think of men above that which is written," (1 Corinthians 4:6)

In the the seeming Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,

As the the Son of God has a unique unique relationship with the Persons of the Trinity, so also Mary is said to have a unique relationship with all three Persons of the Trinity;
As Christ is the express image of God, and highly exalted above all under the Father, having the primary position among all creation, so Mary is declared to be the greatest saint of all, and the first of all creatures, and as having a certain affinity with the Father, with a pre-eminent resemblance which she bears to the Father;
As Christ was called the Son of God, indicating ontological oneness, so Mary is called the Mother of God (which naturally infers the same, and is not the language of Scripture, which even clarifies Israel birthed Christ "according to the flesh, God blessed for ever": Rm. 9:4,5);
As the the Son of God supernaturally, spiritually makes believing souls into children of God, Mary is said to be the mother of Christians in "supernatural and spiritual generation."
As Christ was sinless, so Mary was;
As the Lord remained a virgin, so also Mary;
As the Lord was bodily ascended into Heaven, so Mary also was;
As the Holy Spirit directs believers to be "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith," (Hebrews 12:2) in whom believes are accounted a holy nation, (1 Pt. 2:9) so Catholicism teaches that believers are to "turn their eyes to Mary" in whom "the Church is already the 'all-holy." (CCC 829)
As the Father made Christ Lord over all things, so Mary is said to be enthroned above all creation (all other believers have to wait for their crowns) and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things;
As Christ is given all power in heaven and in earth, so Mary is “surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven.”
As Christ is given all power on Heaven and on earth, so Mary is said to have (showing some restraint) “almost unlimited power;” and showing less restraint, to be "omnipotent" (by grace);
As God the Father made His Divine Son functionally the Lord over the universe, so Mary states, "I command what I will, and introduce whom I will."
As no man comes to the Father but through the Son, so it is taught that no one can come to the Son except through Mary in Heaven;
As no one can obtain mercy, be saved/redeemed or be delivered and know the Father but through the Son, so the same is said of Mary;
As those whom God has chosen will come to Him, so it is said that if Mary wills our salvation, and then we are sure to obtain it.
As the emphasis is upon Christ as the Creator through whom God (the Father) made all things, including Mary, so it is emphasized that uniquely “to her, Jesus owes His Precious Blood,” shed for the salvation of mankind, (the logic behind which can lead back to Eve);
As Scripture declares that Christ suffered for our sins, so Mary is said to have done so also, even all the consequences of sin;
As Christ redeemed mankind (as many as truly believe) with the Father and the Spirit, so it is said of Mary that "we might rightly say she redeemed the human race together with Christ."
As Christ saves us from the condemnation and death resulting from the fault of Adam, so it is taught that man was condemned through the fault of Eve, the root of death, but that we are saved through the merits of Mary; who was the source of life for everyone.
As all things come from the Father through the Son, so Mary is made to be the dispenser of all grace; that "through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation."
As believers have confidence through Christ, so Mary is extolled as being the foundation of all the believer's confidence.
As the Lord wills all souls to be saved through Christ, so it is said that it is God's will that we obtain everything through Mary.
And as the Lord called souls to come to Him to be given life and salvation, so (in misappropriation of the words of Scripture) it is said of Mary, “He that shall find me shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord;” “that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary.”
As Christ is the King of the saints and over all kings, (Rv. 15:3; 17:14; 19:16) so Mary is made Queen of Heaven and the greatest saint, and that “Next to God, she deserves the highest praise;”
As Christ ever liveth to make intercession for the saints, so is Mary said to be in constant intercession;
as only to God is ascribed the power and privilege of hearing prayer from all flesh, so also is Mary extolled as doing so;
as believers only address God/Christ in prayer to Heaven, including in prostration before Him, so also do Catholics pray to Mary;
as believers only pray to God to have mercy on sinners, so Catholics beseech Mary to do so.
As Catholics (adding error to error) believe Christ gave His "real" flesh and blood to be eaten, so it is emphasized that Mary gave Him this, being fashioned out of Mary's pure blood and even being “kneaded with the admixture of her virginal milk,” so that she can say, "Come and eat my bread, drink the wine I have prepared" (Prov. 9:5);
And as Christ is given many titles of honor, so Mary also is, except that she is honored by Catholics with more titles than they give to the Lord Himself!

The NT church never recorded a women who never sinned, and was a perpetual virgin despite being married (contrary to the normal description of marriage, as in leaving and sexually cleaving: Gn. 2:24; cf. Ruth 3:9) and who would be bodily assumed to Heaven (despite lack of evidence) and exalted (officially or with implicit sanction) as,

• an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

• whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

• who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

• and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

• and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

• for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

• "surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

• so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

• and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

• for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

• Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

• and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

• including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

• whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

• and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

• and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more.

Mary was a holy, virtuous instrument of God, but of whom Scripture says relatively little, while holy fear ought to restrain ascribing positions, honor, glory and powers to a mortal that God has not revealed as given to them, and or are only revealed as being possessed by God Himself. But like as the Israelites made an instrument of God an object of worship, (Num. 21:8,9; 2Kg. 18:4) Catholics have magnified Mary far beyond what is written and warranted and even allowed, based on what is in Scripture.

In addition, although (technically) Mary is not to be worshiped in the same sense that God is worshiped, yet the distinctions between devotion to Mary and the worship of God are quite fine, and much due to the psychological appeal of a heavenly mother (especially among those for whom Scripture is not supreme), then the historical practice of Catholics has been to exalt Mary above that which is written. As the Catholic Encyclopedia states, "By the sixteenth century, as evidenced by the spiritual struggles of the Reformers, the image of Mary had largely eclipsed the centrality of Jesus Christ in the life of believers." (Robert C. Broderick, ed., The Catholic Encyclopedia, revised and updated; NY: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1987, pp.32,33)

The practice of praying to departed saints and Mary was one that developed, helped by pagan influences, for Scripture provides no example of any believer praying to anyone in Heaven by the Lord, and reveals that doing otherwise was a practice of pagans, including to the “Queen of Heaven.” (Jer. 44:17,18,19,25). The Catholic Encyclopedia speculates that a further reinforcement of Marian devotion, “was derived from the cult of the angels, which, while pre-Christian in its origin, was heartily embraced by the faithful of the sub-Apostolic age. It seems to have been only as a sequel of some such development that men turned to implore the intercession of the Blessed Virgin. This at least is the common opinion among scholars, though it would perhaps be dangerous to speak too positively. Evidence regarding the popular practice of the early centuries is almost entirely lacking...,” (Catholic Encyclopedia > Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary) Yet, as expected, it imagines this practice came from the apostles and NT church, but which never exampled or instructed it, and instead showed that the believer has immediate access to God in the Divine Christ, (Heb. 10:19), who is the all sufficient and immediate intercessor between God (the Father) and man. (Heb. 2:17,18; 4:15,16) To the glory of God More, by the grace of God.

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, even with adulation, attributes, glory and titles never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers addressed to them, and beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them. Which would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine by playing word games they avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship. </p> <p>Instead they should do what Mary and every believer in every prayer to Heaven did (and I should do more of), which was to pray directly to the Lord, not secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

"Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?"

We are to seek (i need to do more) to give the glory to Christ He alone is worthy of as the only sinless (1Pt. 2:22; 2Co. 5:21) Savior and heavenly intercessor between God and man, (1Tim. 2:5) who alone is said to make unceasing intercession for the elect, (Heb. 7:25) and alone is said to have been tempted in all points like as we are yet without sin, and to whom the Holy Spirit points the believer to come to obtain mercy and grace to help in time of need, (Heb. 4:15,16) and by whose blood the believer has direct access into the holy of holies in Heaven. (Heb. 10:19) Instead, Catholics ascribe to Mary Divine attributes and rob Christ of glory by their thinking of Mary above that which is written, (cf. 1Co. 4:6) and will not heed reproof, which the worshipers of the only Queen of Heaven in Scripture would not either:

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

“Ukraine was part of Russia when that directive was given in 1917.”

Part of Russia at the time but the directive clearly was oriented toward the future, possibly toward this very day (to avoid catastrophe), and it is clearly today’s Russia proper that is threatening use of nuclear weapons, not Ukraine, Georgia, etc. And I fear the true Third Secret — too frightening to release — covers this very circumstance.

Might be too late anyway.

These people...

...Uh huh...

Right.

TLDR...

No idea what you are talking about?

these people, those people, that people, who people, you people, your people, my people...

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Here we go.

Bump.I think it is happening at 1:30 est.

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As the the Son of God has a unique unique relationship with the Persons of the Trinity, so also Mary is said to have a unique relationship with all three Persons of the Trinity

So Jesus' "unique relationship" was is that he IS one of the Persons of the Blessed Trinity. Mary's unique relationship is that she's the daughter of the Father, the mother of the incarnate Son, and the spouse of the Holy Spirit. Saying they each have a "unique relationship" doesn't mean they have the same unique relationship.

As Christ was called the Son of God, indicating ontological oneness, so Mary is called the Mother of God (which naturally infers the same,

The same as what? Do you even know where "Mother of God" comes from? It's a gloss on the Gk Theotokos "God-bearer", and is in opposition to the heresy of Nestorius, who denied that Jesus was truly enfleshed God, but thought that a "divine Jesus person" and a "human Jesus person" were co-located and distinct-but-indistinguishable.

and is not the language of Scripture

Explain it to Elizabeth, who called Mary "Mother of my Lord".

As Christ was sinless, so Mary was

Nope! Christ was sinless because he is God incarnate. Mary is sinless by grace, the same way we can be preserved from sin if we allow ourselves to be.

As the Lord was bodily ascended into Heaven, so Mary also was

Nope again! Jesus ascended under his own power, Mary was assumed by the power of God. Big difference. (The argument can easily be made that Enoch, Elijah, and Moses were assumed also.)

Instead they should do what Mary and every believer in every prayer to Heaven did (and I should do more of), which was to pray directly to the Lord, not secretaries.

Looking forward to your multi-font, multi-colored essay on why it was okay for Paul to ask for specific individuals, and his readers in general, to pray for him. Isn't that going to "secretaries" instead of directly to the Lord? I'll save you some time: of course it is, which is why your objection is nonsense.

In the the seeming Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics...

ALMOST?

Mary was assumed by the power of God

Well, that's funny. You ASSuME so much!

But really, it's just a fantasy, isn't it?

Yes. it is.

Your “real pope” prayed this same prayer in union with Bergoglio.

Actually the directive was given when Russia was not Russia.

Part of Russia at the time but the directive clearly was oriented toward the future, possibly toward this very day (to avoid catastrophe)

I highly doubt that. The third Secret was deemed by Our Lady to be revealed no later than 1960. That did not happen. The Bay of Pigs disaster happened in 1961. The Cuban missle crisis occurred in 1962.

As the the Son of God has a unique unique relationship with the Persons of the Trinity, so also Mary is said to have a unique relationship with all three Persons of the Trinity

"So Jesus' "unique relationship" was is that he IS one of the Persons of the Blessed Trinity. Mary's unique relationship is that she's the daughter of the Father, the mother of the incarnate Son, and the spouse of the Holy Spirit. Saying they each have a "unique relationship" doesn't mean they have the same unique relationship."

Indeed, but in context ("In the the seeming Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*") what I was providing was that such are part of the list of Catholics hyper-exaltation which collective manifest thinking of Mary far far far "above that which is written," (cf. 1 Co. 4:6) esp. in the only wholly inspired-of-God and substantive record of what the NT church believed, which is Acts thru Revelation, which best shows how they understood the OT and the gospels.

. ..in the supernatural and spiritual generation there is a father who is God and a mother who is Mary; she is Mother of her Creator...through Whom the Holy Trinity is sanctified; The power thus put into her (Mary’s) hands is all but unlimited; surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven; At the command of Mary all obey, even God. She is omnipotent; Virgin most powerful; the greatness of the power which she wields over one who is God cannot be conceived; all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin...she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will; when she acts, it is also He who acts; and that if her intervention be not accepted, neither is His.... Her position as "the first of all creatures, the most acceptable child of God, the nearest and dearest to him".. through her alone does He dispense His favours and His gifts; there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose;" above the Cherubim and higher than the Seraphim, right near God Himself!; Mary has authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven...God gave her the power and the mission of assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels who fell away through pride....all the angels in heaven unceasingly call out to her...They greet her countless times each day with the angelic greeting, "Hail, Mary", while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests...The whole world is filled with her glory...Whatever desires the patriarchs may have cherished, whatever entreaties the prophets and saints of the Old Law may have had for 4,000 years to obtain that treasure, it was Mary alone who merited it; sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus; No one achieves salvation except through you...No one receives grace except through you; Thou are all-powerful in saving sinners; Beware, chosen soul, of thinking that it is more perfect to direct your work and intention straight to Jesus or straight to God; Lady in heaven, we have but one advocate, and that is thyself, and thou alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation; through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary; in Heaven we have but one advocate, and that is Thyself; and that Thou alone art truly loving and solicitous for our welfare; .you love us with a love that no other love can surpass. How often you appease the wrath of our Divine Judge, when He is on the point of punishing us! All the treasures of the mercy of God are in your hands; she had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin. It was not only during the Passion that Jesus and Mary suffered for our sins; We were condemned through the fault of one woman; we are saved through the merits of another woman; to her, Jesus owes His Precious Blood... Sources and more.

As Christ was called the Son of God, indicating ontological oneness, so Mary is called the Mother of God (which naturally infers the same,

"The same as what? Do you even know where "Mother of God" comes from? It's a gloss on the Gk Theotokos "God-bearer", and is in opposition to the heresy of Nestorius, who denied that Jesus was truly enfleshed God, but thought that a "divine Jesus person" and a "human Jesus person" were co-located and distinct-but-indistinguishable."

Yes, heotokos "God-bearer," the very term RCs hardly ever use, nor are careful to even couch their "Mother of God" formal title in qualifying terms (as seen in Romans 9:5: "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen") and which your technical critical stands in contrast to. For as per my reproof, this uncritical "Mother of God" mantra is just part of the uncritical unScriptural hyper-exaltation of Mary far above that which is written, without coming right out and making Mary divine.

" Explain it to Elizabeth, who called Mary "Mother of my Lord"."

And which is hardly "Mother of God" and Christ is more than what Elizabeth referred to, as kurios refers to function (and can refer to men), and God is the Lord God, with "God" denoting what He is by nature and thus worth of worship, Christ being "Lord over all," "God blessed for ever," as my "My Lord and my God." (John 20:28).

In contrast, while Mary could be critically stated to be the mother of God as technically qualified meaning "according to the flesh" and not contributing anything to His Divine nature which she is the product of, the formal title of "Mother of God" is simply not consistent with the careful language of Scripture regarding mortals and therefore and "gives rise to misunderstandings" as Ratzinger himself inconsistently lectures.

As Christ was sinless, so Mary was

" Nope! Christ was sinless because he is God incarnate. Mary is sinless by grace, the same way we can be preserved from sin if we allow ourselves to be."

A technical distinction few RCs would make or care to in their unScriptural hyper-exaltation of Mary far above that which is written, which includes her assumed Assumption, and which is my point, in stark contrast to how the NT church understood Mary.

"Nope again! Jesus ascended under his own power, Mary was assumed by the power of God. Big difference. (The argument can easily be made that Enoch, Elijah, and Moses were assumed also.)"

Ditto. Again, my extensive list of unScriptural parallels to Christ uncritical unScriptural hyper-exaltation of Mary far above that which is written, "in the the seeming Catholic quest to almost deify Mary," without coming right out and making Mary divine.

Instead they should do what Mary and every believer in every prayer to Heaven did (and I should do more of), which was to pray directly to the Lord, not secretaries.

"Looking forward to your multi-font, multi-colored essay on why it was okay for Paul to ask for specific individuals, and his readers in general, to pray for him. Isn't that going to "secretaries" instead of directly to the Lord? I'll save you some time: of course it is, which is why your objection is nonsense."

RATHER, it is your erroneous egregious extrapolation of praying to the Lord alone FOR others in this physical realm as meaning that created beings in Heaven are to be prayed to which is nonsense. As is imagining that the Holy Spirit of God would not include even one prayer out of over 200 which He inspired in which believers, versus pagans (which He did record) praying to any created being, even though there were always plenty to pray to and occasions that would befit such. All the while exalting Christ as the all-sufficient and only mediator btwn man and God, (1 Timothy 2:5) who uniquely was was "in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:25)