To: Elsie
- just submitting mathematical data...
Should I be surprised that you mimic the same skeptical thought of the non- believer questioning Christianity?
Reminds me of the person who says "If Jesus is God... who's minfing the store in heaven, while Jesus is a helpless baby child here on Earth"?
Mathematically impossible you say?
Well,
I see your earthly world mathematics, and raise you some supernatural metaphysics.
Will not be walking by sight on this desl...
Now if you believe the Blessed Virgin Mary, for all ages, is truly praying for us through her Queenship of Heaven, than you can grasp this time construct- or lack thereof- about God.
Here's some CS Lewis that helped me out many moons ago...
From True and Pure WordPress.com:
(C.S. Lewis can say it much better than I can, so if this post is a little quote-heavy, that’s why. )
He starts by identifying the problem:
A man put it to me by saying, ‘I can believe in God…but what I cannot swallow is the idea of him attending to several million human beings who are all addressing Him at the same moment’…what is really at the back of this difficulty is the idea of God having to fit too many things into one moment of time.
But…is God in time at all? Just because all we know is a life moment by moment, does that mean that is how all things are?
C.S. Lewis thinks not.
Almost certainly God is not in Time. His life does not consist of moments following one another. If a million people are praying to Him at ten-thirty tonight, He need not listen to them all in that one little snippet which we call ten-thirty. Ten-thirty…is always the Present for Him.
STOP. Don’t continue reading this post. Read that quote several more times. Then think about it for at least one or two minutes before you continue. Mull over it. The more you think about it, the more it will blow your mind.
Now. Promise me you thought about that a little bit. If you’re more confused than anything, Lewis uses two illustrations that might help you. The second one especially helped me.
The first is that of an author writing a novel.
I write ‘Mary laid down her work; next moment came a knock at the door!’ For Mary, who has to live in the imaginary time of my story, there is no interval between putting down the work and hearing the knock. But I, who am Mary’s maker, do not live in that imaginary time at all. Between writing the first half of that sentence and the second, I might sit for three hours and think steadily about Mary…the hours I spent in doing so would not appear in Mary’s time (the time inside the story) at all.
The second illustration is what really made this concept click in my mind.
If you picture Time as a straight line along which we have to travel, then you must picture God as the whole page on which the line is drawn. We come to the parts of the line one by one: we have to leave A behind before we get to B, and cannot reach C until we leave B behind. God, from above or outside or all round, contains the whole line, and sees it all.
In other words, “with Him it is, so to speak, still 1920 and already 1960”. (remember that this book was written in 1952.)
IS YOUR MIND BLOWN YET??
Here’s one more way of putting it:
…what we call ‘tomorrow’ is visible to Him in just the same way as what we call ‘today’. All the days are ‘Now’ for Him. He does not remember you doing things yesterday; He simply sees you doing them, because, though you have lost yesterday, He has not. He does not ‘foresee’ you doing things tomorrow; He simply sees you doing them: because, though tomorrow is not yet there for you, it is for Him…He knows your tomorrow’s actions…because He is already in tomorrow and can simply watch you…the moment at which you have done it is already ‘Now’ for Him.
This is the one of those things that just gets more amazing and weird and cool the more you think about it. It was all I could think about for about twenty minutes after I read this chapter. It’s so cool!!!
What do you think? Do you find this as cool as I do? Does it blow your mind??
959 posted on
03/27/2022 9:05:21 PM PDT by
MurphsLaw
(+++11"How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread?"+++)
To: MurphsLaw
Should I be surprised that you mimic the same skeptical thought of the non- believer questioning Christianity?Probably; but really, I am glad you asked the question...
961 posted on
03/27/2022 9:32:25 PM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: MurphsLaw
Do you find this as cool as I do?I might.
Just how cool do you think it is?
962 posted on
03/27/2022 9:33:31 PM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: MurphsLaw
Faster than Mary...
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963 posted on
03/27/2022 9:35:05 PM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: MurphsLaw
The more you think about it, the more it will blow your mind.
The second illustration is what really made this concept click in my mind.
IS YOUR MIND BLOWN YET??
You seem to have a lot of room in there...
964 posted on
03/27/2022 9:38:49 PM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: MurphsLaw
Now if you believe the Blessed Virgin Mary, for all ages, is truly praying for us through her Queenship of Heaven, than you can grasp this time construct- or lack thereof- about God.
965 posted on
03/27/2022 9:54:11 PM PDT by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: MurphsLaw
Funny thing, actually, is that I was thinking about exactly this earlier yesterday.
You could make a solid argument for a kind of OSAS using that, because according to God’s perspective, those who are saved always were, because God knows the ending already.
Though that’s more eternal election I think.
966 posted on
03/28/2022 2:56:08 AM PDT by
Luircin
To: MurphsLaw
Funny thing, actually, is that I was thinking about exactly this earlier yesterday.
You could make a solid argument for a kind of OSAS using that, because according to God’s perspective, those who are saved always were, because God knows the ending already.
Though that’s more eternal election I think.
967 posted on
03/28/2022 2:56:10 AM PDT by
Luircin
To: MurphsLaw
Funny thing, actually, is that I was thinking about exactly this earlier yesterday.
You could make a solid argument for a kind of OSAS using that, because according to God’s perspective, those who are saved always were, because God knows the ending already.
Though that’s more eternal election I think.
968 posted on
03/28/2022 2:56:11 AM PDT by
Luircin
To: MurphsLaw
I have no idea why a triple post just happened. Eesh.
969 posted on
03/28/2022 2:57:16 AM PDT by
Luircin
To: MurphsLaw
Let me make an offer.
I will explain to you what I believe one more time and show how it’s Scriptural.
But in return, I would like a promise that you will fully read the explanation and argue against THAT in the future, and not against the assumptions you seem to be making about me.
Agreed?
973 posted on
03/28/2022 3:22:30 AM PDT by
Luircin
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