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To: Philip_the_evangelist
So, we have a dilemma.

Why is that? If one understands the theme of the progressively revealed Holy Writings, and God's foundational purpose of them, one can work through the particular situation that one is facing.

For instance, take the two individuals walking home on the first day of the week after the 33 A.D. Passover festival in Jerusalem, where they are leaving the scene that a Jewish man of great esteem was executed for political reasons, which they did hot understand, nor the strange outcome of it.

On their journey home they became involved with someone they did not recognize, but who was going the same way. He gained their confidence, and in it elicited a summary of the events that was perplexing them. His assessment of their presentation indicated that they were being inept in applying scriptural principles to their problem, then went on to get them onto the right track of thought by starting to show them what the overall theme of the holy writings were about:

"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself" (Lk. 24:27 AV) 
My FRiend, this is exactly where one starts. The Old Testament is not about the Mosaic Law, it is about the Lord and Savior of rotten humans. The theme of the Holy Writing, as much of them as one has, is that they are about Jesus as Lord and Messiah, and the coming on Earth as well as in Heaven, of His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace.

Here, Jesus puts that principle to work in developing their acceptance of His Gospel, for which Scripture exists to make known; that is, to show God's plan for saving citizens for that Kingdom from as many of fallen, inherently depraved sinners, descendants of the human that He had created for unceasing fellowship with Him and together with that the joy of just being.

God had--out of that vast population--eliminated most of them, and restarted the world again with just a few individuals acceptable to Him, with the same few rules for behavior that the gentiles acceptable into an organized assembly of spirit-reborn constituents ought adhere. Those four rules left standing were to set boundaries for their conduct. What else could one want?

Of course, up to the Cross-death of Jesus, there were only two kinds of humans in the world, for which God had interposed a fence, and why?

Well that was because once again, with sin and death in the world, a force implicit as influencing the behavior of the numerous descendants of Noah and his family, they pretty much all refused to be bounded by those four rules, superseding and going beyond them, eh?

So God decided to separate out, by a certain choice of a particular strain of DNA, a family, the descendants of Jacob, whom Gd repurposed as Israel, to be His Self-supervised selection of a nation of humans, but giving them a body of Law, to which they were expected to obey. One of those pre-Law requirements was circumcision of all males, a rite of entry into a special relationship with God, supposedly performed on one just after birth.

Actually, that system of rules simply could not be uniformly be carried through for any inherently depraved human, and so it was a great burden for any individual, tribe, or whole nation to follow and please The God Who had imposed it. But God had an approximate yearly solution for this burden, to be executed once a year, on a special Day, and it involved blood sacrifices of innocent animals taking the place of guilty humans whose bloody death for sinning was their sentence for even one error of disobeying God or His Law.

However, if even only one human could be born without indwelling sin in its flesh, and from infancy could live through unto fully mature physical and spiritual adulthood without making even one mistake, that individual could be recognized by the Judge to live forever.

But one possibility then had to be faced: if that person was to be slaughtered to pay for ALL human sinning as a consequence due them all, by that perfected person finishing a perfect life so far, could be an acceptable substitute for any one of them who would accept that change of blame, the painful wrathful torture, and death to be put on another, who wold bestow his eternal life on the human who would gratefully exchange hi/her own eternal suffering for it.

Here's the deal: Jesus did live that life, and his placement on the cross and suffering there being a part of the punishment of torture and death due to someone guilty, when all of the Law had been perfectly observed, that sacrificed human could know the the righteous demands of the God-imposed Law had been completely satisfied, and then from the completion legitimately proclaim to all present both temporally and spiritually, not only to the God of Heaven but also the observing god of this world, that:

"Tετελεσται!"


(That is, "the task stands completed, never to be done again, with ongoing eternal consequences. Furthermore, the Law being fulfilled once and for all time, it is annulled for any living human that allows me to represent him/her before You, the Righteous Judge of All")

That is the solution to the dilemma, my FRiend. Jesus, Savior, Lord, and Kin is The Word Personified, and He is the Purpose of it:

the meaning of "Yehoshua" is "Salvation," and the Gospel based on Hm is: "Jesus saves!"
For both Gentile and the new group of humans other than Jews and Gentiles is the Body of Regenerated Servants of Jesus the Messiah and Lord (= true Christians) saved by their trust in /him.
714 posted on 03/23/2022 1:56:51 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1; Philip_the_evangelist
he Old Testament is not about the Mosaic Law,

That premise is false.

Deuteronomy 6:4-9
King James Version

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.


Matthew 5:17-19
King James Version

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

776 posted on 03/23/2022 8:03:05 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: imardmd1
For both Gentile and the new group of humans other than Jews and Gentiles is the Body of Regenerated Servants of Jesus the Messiah and Lord (= true Christians) saved by their trust in him.


This, and everything from every angry reply is all known to me. Not one of you attempting to correct me presented anything of which I am not already aware. You were so busy trying to correct me you failed to perceive my purpose.

The local body of which I am part spends hours every week pouring over the scriptures. We have just completed a three year study of Hebrews. That was after completing a two year study of Galatians. Before those were many similar studies from both the Tanakh and the Apostolic writings. I assure you we are as fully in Messiah as are you.

The attempts to label me were amusing. The attempts to convince yourselves I was one and the same as others with whom you disagreed was even more amusing. The liberal use of the word cult was the most amusing of all. I do have to confess the more colorful replies caused me smile.

The persistence in claiming and addressing things I did not say, answering questions I did not ask, assuming intentions I did not have, and assuming I was seeking information indicate I failed to make myself understood. So be it.

I have long observed some of the members of this group and almost always it is the same for anyone who does not seem to completely agree. I suspect most or all of you belong to sects with which I have some disputes. I am aware there will be those who have some disputes with me. I am also aware we have some very important things in common. I suggest we all find healthier ways to converse that our witness not be in vain.

Baruch haba b'shem YHWH

777 posted on 03/23/2022 8:09:02 PM PDT by Philip_the_evangelist
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