[Jim W N]

Who said that Mary was totally depraved?

And your “goddess” question is irrelevant and deflective. Nobody said anything about Mary being a goddess unless that’s what the Catholics think.

The Catholic approach is to worship Mary, a flawed human being just like everyone, and that is idol worship. Stick to the point there af_vet_1981.

[af_vet_1981]

Who said that Mary was totally depraved?

I thought it was you; something about “a sinner like everyone else” AKA Total Depravity Calvinist doctrine

which is why I asked
And your “goddess” question is irrelevant and deflective. Nobody said anything about Mary being a goddess unless that’s what the Catholics think.

It is relevant because you claimed “worshipping Mary IS idol worship” and I explained that is not what Catholics think. Catholics think Jesus gave Mary as their mother too because they, like John, are disciples whom Jesus loves. They honor and love her in communion with Jesus and all the saints. Neither Catholicism nor Orthodoxy teach “worshiping Mary” hence one reasonable concern was that you do see Mary as a goddess because idol worship is the worship of a false god/goddess.

[metmom]

And your “goddess” question is irrelevant and deflective. Nobody said anything about Mary being a goddess unless that’s what the Catholics think.

Projection is strong. Catholics assume that's what you meant because that's what they really do believe.

It's along the lines of Throw a rock over a fence and the dog that yelps is the one that got hit.