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To: Philsworld
“What is the penalty for unrepentant sin?”

There is no penalty for the believer. This has been paid at the cross before the sin was ever committed.

There are though significant consequences.

The three most significant are:

1. Broken fellowship with the Father now
2. The possibility that the believer's life on earth will be terminated before it runs it's normal span
3. The loss of rewards at the Bema seat.

All terrible.

Of course, until you come to saving faith in Christ alone, apart from your own works, this is an academic Q&A for you...

Why not come to Him for eternal life now, today?

210 posted on 03/13/2022 10:31:18 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Well and tyruly stated ... and it will be rejected immediately by the self rihhteous cultist who imagines he can keep eternal life which he sadly has yet to have.


214 posted on 03/13/2022 11:35:06 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN
There is no penalty for the believer.

UMMmmmm...

I don't know...


1 John 3:4-11 ESV

Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

228 posted on 03/13/2022 4:52:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; metmom; boatbums; MHGinTN

There is no penalty for the believer.


Bible College graduate BoatBums says there IS a penalty for the believer. She won’t tell me (she keeps telling me she did, but she didn’t). So, what is that penalty? (not consequences)...maybe message her and get your stories straight?

Does being saved by grace make one a believer and immune from the penalty of future, unrepentant sin? Hebrews 10:26-31 CLEARLY says no.

26: If we continue to sin willfully after...

29: 29 how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Claiming the blood of the covenant and then willfully sinning, thinking you are immune?

These verses straight up say the complete opposite of what you people are peddling as gospel.

“and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”

Unrepentant sinners who try to hide behind grace will pay the ultimate price of eternal death. If Ravi did it (and he did by all accounts) and IF he died in unrepentant sin (not my call), he’s in big, big trouble. And that goes for anyone else on this earth who reverts back to unrepentant sin after being saved by grace. OSAS is a lie. Looks like Ravi was all in (in more ways than one).

Something else...Sin is the transgression of God’s law. You all believe sin has no effect on you after grace, so God’s law doesn’t apply to you. You have essentially made the moral law of God null and void. That’s what you TEACH. Sin at will if you want, because there will be no PENALTY, right?


231 posted on 03/13/2022 5:00:10 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN; Elsie; metmom
“What is the penalty for unrepentant sin?” There is no penalty for the believer. This has been paid at the cross before the sin was ever committed.

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You said in another that your PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE sins were forgiven by God's grace (salvation through faith). That IS your doctrine of OSAS. Paul says otherwise...

Romans 3:23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

The Penalty for unrepentant sin is DEATH. God's grace covers PAST unrepentant sin. After grace, REPENTANT sin is covered. 00666 Ravi (license to sin unrepentantly) is not covered by grace (if in fact he was unrepentant). We are expected to ABIDE IN HIS LOVE, and that means keeping his commandments in OBEDIENCE. We are under an even HIGHER duty to obey after being saved by grace, for what Christ did for us on the cross.

Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ah, come on man, none of that matters. Everyone that believes gets a free pass. Obedience after grace doesn't matter. FR guys told me that. We are the saints that will inherit the kingdom of God. Obedience to God's law is for the suckers that are lost, like Phil and his SDA organization. See you in the clouds, Yippee!

Ummm, no.

Revelation 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Eccl:13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

We will ALL be judged.

1 Corinthians 5:10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Romans 2:11For there is no respect of persons with God. 12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

God's saints are commandment keepers, and they obey. Unrepentant OSAS false doctrine sinners will not be in heaven.

454 posted on 03/19/2022 7:35:01 AM PDT by Philsworld
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