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To: af_vet_1981

Oh how cute; he thinks he did a gotcha.

Nope, you are still incorrect. I can know I’m saved because my salvation is based on Christ’s work.

I can’t know if you’re saved because despite what you seem to think, I’m not God and I don’t know whether you believe or if you’re just lying through your teeth.

Bonus points for parroting the Catholic lie about eternal security being used as a license to sin though. Is that what you would do if you were certain of your salvation?


1,718 posted on 04/06/2022 5:40:38 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin; Mark17; af_vet_1981; MurphsLaw; aMorePerfectUnion; SouthernClaire; metmom
When God counted Abraham's belief as righteousness, by Whom did God swear that Covenant? BY Abraham's subsequent works or by the immutability of God's election?

God swear by Himself, so the subsequent actions of Abraham are not counted against what God has done.

God counted Abraham's belief as righteousness. THEN God let Abram know that he and sarah would have a son through whom the world would be blessed thereby the world being blessed through Abraham.

What did Abram do thereafter? Well, he doubted the Promise of God and entered into a plot hatched by unbel;ieving Sara and the servant girl bore Abraham a son out of season, Ishmael, father of the Arab nations! Did the Promise of God become null and void when Abraham disbelieved and fathered Ishmael? No, for when God Promises it will come to pass. The election of God is without repentance ... God does not cancel His Promises.

When God told Moses that the disbelieving Hebrews would die in the desert and not enter into the rewards, was God removing the first principle of having rescued them from egypt, their salvation from slavery? No, He withheld their rewards but still fed them as they wandered int he desert for forty years.

Paul explains this perspective in 1 Cor 3.

So, in Hebrews where Paul raises the issue of eternal security, he makes it plain -in the Greek it is plain, but in English not so much- that so long as a saved person stumps back into unbelief int he Promise there remains no means to repent of the unbelief, BUT the impossibility of repentance ENDS when one stops disbelieving. As shown in 1 Corinthians the rest, the rewards are now unreachable but the status of saved is not annulled because it is God Who saved one before they stumped in unbelief.

The flesh does not get us into God's hands and the flesh cannot get us out of God's Hands, for He saves as Glorification to The Son Who gave us the writ of exoneration. We did not purchase it and we cannot nulligy it.

The CAtholic lack of knowledge of the Bema Seat Judgment which happens in Heaven for ONLY those Whom God has birthed from above, irrevocably, may be the key to their persistent hold on grace and works. The works get judged at the Bema Seat not the Great White Throne of Judgment. Paul even cites that as thorns and briars being burned up, and explains in 1 Cor 3 that the saved one will be saved in the Bema Judgment but as by fire which burns away all the works not done under Holy Spirit leadership.

The Catholic Apologists will not receive the above telling because it can silence their insistence that works are necessary to retain Salvation. The addition of ANYTHING to what Jesus declared finished is blasphemy. Adding anything to His work done once for all forever is claiming He did not or could not do enough so the flesh has to add to His work. That is why Purgatory is a blasphemy.

1,723 posted on 04/06/2022 8:32:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Luircin; Philsworld
I can know I’m saved because my salvation is based on Christ’s work.

No, this is how we know we are saved;

1 John 2:3-5
King James Version

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.


So, in essence, the man who has been harangued and insulted through the entire thread solely for belonging to the Millerite/Seventh Day Adventist faith community/movement, is correct regarding in rejecting the Evangelical teaching that one can never lose one’s salvation no matter what one does (i.e., they correctly reject “once saved, always saved”).

Even though his group rejects the Catholic faith, he has not been uncivil or shown the bigotry against Catholics on this thread, as others are wont to do. If one must call names, call him something nice like the good Samaritan, for if he has faith in the Messiah's divinity, a valid baptism, and in the doctrine of the Trinity, he is a Christian, albeit a separated brother.
1,795 posted on 04/06/2022 8:14:00 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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