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To: Luircin

It should be such an easy question for you and the rest of your group of Nicolaitans to answer.

You ALL spout the false doctrine of OSAS, but you WON’T answer the question I posed. Why? You seem to have an answer and counter point to every doctrinal issue our Catholic friends pose, but now no “thus sayeth the Lord” on something YOU claim as one of the foundational doctrines of Christianity?

Your intentional obfuscation is telling, dishonest, shameful, and pathetic.


164 posted on 03/10/2022 11:08:20 PM PST by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld; metmom; Luircin; imardmd1; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums; caww; Elsie; ducttape45; ...
You bullied: "You ALL spout the false doctrine of OSAS, but you WON’T answer the question I posed. Why?"

Aws a cultist following a false prophetess -as proven by her prophecies which never came true- you are steeped in works to achieve eternal life. Your question is the wrong way aroubnd, setting your little cultist trap to support your flawed axiom of works to achieve eternal life.

Your unsaved condition of your spirit is revealed in asking such wrong questions. When I accepted Jesus as Savior and Lord, did He expect me to then be a keeper of the law to rfeceive eternal life? LOL, I have a fallen nature still with my flesh so long as I remain in this body. Do I sin? Absolutely, and His Spirit within my human spirit now possessing eternal life by His Presence in me pricks my spirit copnscience so I repent of what I become aware of. BUT He is not abiding in my Human spirit as a goad to show me how and when to keep the law -which, if you read your Bible the Apostles declared was IMPOSSIBLE for me to do before I was born again in spirit and after I am now blessed to have His Presence in my born again spirit.

IF you had posed a proper question you would not be expecting working to keep the law; Jesus kepot the law perfectly and when He died upon that cross for me, He paid the penalty for ALL sin of those who call upon Him. Do you know what ALL means? As a cultist you want to believe He paid for the sins, as if there is a transactional relationship where I must "do" regarding the law in order to retain the eternal life He graced me with the day I first believed in my heart that He is Savior and Lord.

As a cultist your flesh is now shouting 'but, but' and you return to the vomit of your wrong question, because you are determined to flush grace away and feed your pride of self that perhaps even believes you can know all the sins -not that transactional wrong headedness- I am guilty of.

You cannot, as a cultist, comprehend that Jesus paid for ALL my sin when I was born again. WHY? Why ought we see that 'all' given as His Grace to us? Because that perspective does not seek to gain any glory or reward for my behaviors, leaving ALL the glory to Jesus Who offers eternal life to us as Grace, not by works. As a cultist that is the great stumbling stone for you.

165 posted on 03/11/2022 8:02:06 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Philsworld
Philsworld to MHGinTN: "You ALL spout the false doctrine of OSAS, but you WON’T answer the question I posed. Why?"

The question you posed was:

"So I ask again...what’s the penalty for unrepentant sin?"

The word used by the Spirit that is translated into the English is μετάνοια (metanoia, pronounced met-an'-oy-ah). Very simply, it describes a change of mind, a 189 degree reversal of a person's belief. This change of belief necessarily must precede the outcome, which constitutes a modification of behavior.

This follows the unavoidable "ABC Rule" which is, to wit: Actions arise from Beliefs, which results in Consequences.

There you have it, Philsworld. You, as all descendants of the fallen federal head of humanity, the First Adam, are born to die, because the disease of sin indwells the first living cell of which you are constituted. And with that indwelling sin, your entire belief structure is thorougly tainted by it. The Adversary, the Devil, Satan takes advantage of it and becomes your master from the very beginning, That places you already under God's condemnation, your spirit dead to God's spirit; your soul 's activity producing sinful acts in the body; and under this situation the physical body one day to fail to move throughthe increasing level of imperfections.

In this phase of living, with Satan as ones master and sin guiding your actions, you can never present an inward trait or outward action that pleases the Mighty Righteous Gd, can you?

The only process that can change this is a change in the belief system under which one formulates actions that have the consequence of a heavenly abode upon death of one's body.. Obviously, that can only be accomplish through metanoia, fully carried through, and that is a state in whch one's master is Jesus Messiah, and the inward guidance is no longer sin, but the Holy Spirit Who completely subdues the power of sinfulness, leaving the servant of Christ wth the power to overcome behaviors contrary to holiness, thus pleasing the Triune God.

But how does this happen?

It is the Wrd preached, that plants the seed of The Faitg (Rom. 10:17) that germinates, grows to the point where the human can make the decision to accept The Father's transaction to freely give that person instantly a change of masters, through utterly, irreversibly, and unreservedly become totally possessed and owned from henceforth by the Gather's Only Begotten-in-the-flesh Son and Ruler of the Kingdom of God.

Now, this is a quid pro quo transaction--something given for something received. In this case, it is the human who agrees to accept God's approval for His Son's willngness to pay for the human's sins--all of them, not one excepted--with His incorruptible blood, and in exchange, the convinced human receives a pardon from all his/her sins, acceptance as a child of God and servanthood to the Perfect Master, as well as permanent, everlasting absolute life in the spirit, with The righteousness of His Son imputed him or her. And whle one still exists in the earthly sphere progressively advancing in spiritual maturity,

Summing this up, this new life is not possible without a change of belief from Satan's plan for one's life to the completely opposite plan that God has for salvation through complete trust alone and in Hs shed Blood alone, that when it begins here and now when the transaction is agreed, will continue forever and never brought up again.

One can never earn one's way to Heaven as long as Satan is ones master and sin is his tool. The unsaved person's Devil-guided works can never please God or His Christ.

Repentance and saving belief are inseparable, two sides of the same coin, and the chamge involving both at once happen instantly and permanently, completely and never partially.

169 posted on 03/11/2022 12:44:50 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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