Just stop! You are intentionally bearing false witness here. I know this has been hashed over and over with you on myriad threads - NO ONE is telling people they can freely live in sin because of God's grace! That actually was the Gnostic heresy - they didn't even believe Jesus had a physical body. You insist you believe in salvation by grace through faith but then you blow it all up by declaring unless a believer lives in perfect obedience to God's commandments, he will lose his salvation. How does one lose something he hasn't yet ultimately received? And if my salvation is dependent on how I live my life (works), how can it be by grace? It's either grace OR works. God says it's GRACE. Until you open your heart to the pure gospel of salvation by God's grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone to the glory of God ALONE, any further arguing with you is pointless and a waste of time. If nothing else, you need to stop accusing us of teaching Gnostic heresy as "our" gospel. That is a LIE.
As I'm sure you will continue to try to drag this on and on, know that I am done discussing this with you.
BB, I think Philsworld has probably skipped over this counsel to the people at Rome, where he confirmed that once God saves, it is perfect salvation, and that when He imparts eternal absolute life. to be eternal never-ending it simply cannot end, or it won't be the eternal, would it?
Paul says:
Romans 5:19-21; 6:1-2It is impossible when one is "dead" to some idea or activity to be engaged in it, is it not?
19For as by one man'sAdam's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of onetje God Incarnate human Jesus shall many be made righteousonce for one person not to be removed. 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 1God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
I think it is pretty obvious that the Holy Spirit, speaking through Paul to the regenerated saved servant of the perfectly saving Savior and for the Father (who imparted eternal life to the person receiving His irrevocable gift of salvation unrescindable by the receiver, whose future is well-known by the omniscient LORD), has told us here that going forward, the servant is NOT NOR WILL BE walking in the sin which has been paid for and removed by the Shed Blood of Jesus. S there is nothing, not even a choice to draw back unto perdition, for the one who is experiencing the OSAS promise and knowledgeably living it.
What Philsworld is showing us that by claiming that OSAS does NOT exist not only does not have faith enough to BE saved by faith, but as long as he (she?) holds that opinion can never be given that gift which is far more precious than he values it.
That's the bottom line. If the true meaning of Scripture is to give saving faith to be germinated in the implanted sperma of God, His Word preached by a Sower(Mt. 13:3-8;Rom. 10:17; 1 Jn. 3:9), then neither you nor I, BB, can give mre of it it to him.
And there is a time when God Himself ceases to strive with his spirit(Gen. 6:3), and when that happens, the offer of the gift of salvation through His unbounded grace will be withdrawn.
What a shame. When the Scripture says "God forbid!" that is not merely a euphemism. That is exactly what God does, forbids, does not allow to happen, at all.
I fear very much that time may be past for Philsworld, and that neither you nor I can help him.