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To: metmom
And since the wages of sin is death, any other payment given to try to apprehend forgiveness is not going to work.

No, there are no "other payments" of forgiveness other than confession AND penance.

Conversely though, The wages of sin ARE NOT DEATH if I am saved in your way and sin has no consequence for me any further.
If works prove nothing toward Salvation - then they also cannot contribute to one's damnation as well- so as the man said... you are free to sin, sin away..

If sin was so unimportant for our salvation- why would The New Testament spend TWICE as much ink talking about sin than it does Salvation.

It is not right to think one is saved once and for all... immune from sin...
Christ has said otherwise...
141 posted on 03/09/2022 11:08:48 AM PST by MurphsLaw ("We are not Saved by the Words of God per se, rather We are Saved by the Word of God, Made Flesh.")
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To: MurphsLaw; metmom

You didn’t even read more than a few words of metmom’s post.

Why should anyone care what you have to say if you’re not going to actually engage?


143 posted on 03/09/2022 1:18:09 PM PST by Luircin
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To: MurphsLaw

So you seriously think that your works of confession and penance will earn you salvation?


144 posted on 03/09/2022 1:46:26 PM PST by Luircin
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To: MurphsLaw

Confession is NOT a payment for sin.

Penance is not payment for sin, but rather is a Catholic construct to make people feel like they are doing something positive to procure salvation. We can’t. We can do nothing to add to the finished work of Christ on the cross.

If His sacrifice is adequate, then we can add nothing to it to complete it or enhance it.

If His sacrifice needs our involvement by works, then it wasn’t adequate in and of itself. And if the work of the sinless Son of God is not enough to save someone, then no sin stained and corrupted works of ours added to it can help.

Is there something about a guarantee of our inheritance that you do not understand? The Holy Spirit is our deposit, GUARANTEEING our inheritance, God’s words not ours.

If he said it, I am not going to call Him a liar and argue against it. I will simply trust what He said to be the case.


146 posted on 03/09/2022 2:52:54 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: MurphsLaw
No, there are no "other payments" of forgiveness other than confession AND penance.

And if you don't believe it; just ask JESUS!!!


John 6:25-40

25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]

32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”


153 posted on 03/09/2022 5:49:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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