To: MurphsLaw
Have you ever read and understood 1 John 3:9? God does the birthing to THE SPIRIT of the individual. He does not give born again status to the flesh. I can tell you this with all confidence since God has told believers that He will in the twinkling of an eye give us a new body and new soul, to match the eternally alive spirit He Graced us with when we were born again.
I read your entire lengthy work. It has all the earmarks of catholic training, but it fits scripture passages together out of context thus out of sense.
I apologize if there are distracting typos in what I respond. I am nearly blind and writing and reading on the Internet is more difficult thatn you can even imagine. ... But you are worth it. i hope to see you in the clouds someday soon.
1,350 posted on
04/01/2022 3:38:11 PM PDT by
MHGinTN
(A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: MHGinTN; MurphsLaw
But you are worth it. i hope to see you in the clouds someday soon. Of course we want to see Murph in the clouds someday soon. That’s how much we care about people. We do, however, have to tell the truth about false religions.
So Murph, this is to you. I don’t know what your status with the Lord is. All we can do, is make a value judgment, based on your posts, and it doesn’t look good. Look bro, I was a Catholic, like you. I know what it’s like, to have no assurance of salvation, or anything. I know it’s a terrible feeling inside, knowing I wasn’t saved. I hated it, so I know where you are coming from. Everyone wants to see you in the clouds at the OSAS rapture (harpazo) If you don’t make it, all I can say is, I will not have to answer to God, concerning you. Your blood is on your own hands. All of us have presented you with the REAL spiritual truth. It’s up to you to respond to it. If you do, we have won a brother. If not, well, there is Hebrews 10:27 “But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” 🔥 I hope you make it bro, and it’s certainly possible, but I am not sure you will.
1,363 posted on
04/01/2022 6:08:25 PM PDT by
Mark17
(Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of a USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
To: MHGinTN
Have you ever read and understood 1 John 3:9?
You know I just reply that with John 1:8 – just a few chapters previous.
You want to go into the weeds over apparent contradictions ? I don’t – The Bible loses in that game… While anyone can read into whatever verses they want, if that renders other verses then nonsensical or irrational- than you have to know what has been read into those verses cannot be correct.
Yes, we can play dial-a-verse back and forth all day- but I can show you much scripture that make no sense then- that it should be considered and not ignored- when passage become meaningless- if Baptism does not save you - or if sin no longer can, or does, have any impact on a believer. Most of St. Paul’s letters writing about the dangers to his baptized brethren he is away from is the most glaring example.
I can tell you this with all confidence since God has told believers that He will in the twinkling of an eye give us a new body and new soul, to match the eternally alive spirit He Graced us with when we were born again.
I don’t know what the twinkling of an eye would have to do with it- God’s realm is outside of our time, something we cannot comprehend- so any “time” reference doesn’t seem warranted - but In what scripture does God tell us we get a “new” Soul ? Or do you mean “new” as in purified?
But you are worth it. i hope to see you in the clouds someday soon.
I agree in hope as well. It's a necessary virtue.
And it is my hope as well to make it to the clouds, but I know my hope cannot, and does not, bind God in any way.
My part is to conform myself to Christ- not the other way round.
Catholic heresies which have generated the mythical purgatory and the blasphemous notion that Mary can forgive sins and or convey what ONLY God can and does do.
The Catholic Church has NEVER taught Mary can forgive sins. Why do you write this when you know its not true? If one is with the spirit, are they not supposed to be averse to error- or even incapable of intentional error? This is what I don’t get about being saved, if the change is only intellectual and not actual.
Now Purgatory, while mythical for you, is referred to in verses through out divine scripture- which is a purifying process you also admit:
14If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
You have taken the time to write a lengthy post and I shaoll read all of it, despite the catholiciism errors replete in what I have so far endured!
Well you understand the enduring part then !! So that’s a good thing…
But he who endures to the end will be saved” (Matt. 10:22).
Speaking of that - yesterday’s 2nd reading from St. Paul made me smile a bit.. not making this – look it up- I call it divine punking)
For his sake I have accepted the loss of all things and I consider them so much rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him,…
depending on faith to know him and the power of his resurrection and the sharing of his sufferings by being conformed to his death, if somehow I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
It is not that I have already taken hold of it or have already attained perfect maturity, but I continue my pursuit in hope that I may possess it, since I have indeed been taken possession of by Christ Jesus. Brothers and sisters, I for my part do not consider myself to have taken possession. Just one thing: forgetting what lies behind but straining forward to what lies ahead, I continue my pursuit toward the goal, the prize of God’s upward calling, in Christ Jesus."
What a hoot... yesterday...From St. Paul.…
I am at a loss to have compassion on someone who contradicts what GOD put in His written Word!
Now see- this is what I take issue with. If you are alive with the Spirit why is your compassion not limitless? How can you say you have “a loss for compassion”?
Can you imagine Christ saying of his executioners- “Father don’t ever forgive these idiots"...?
Are we not of the goal then to become like Christ? Isn’t that what is asked of us by Jesus? To participate in him, completely, even into his humiliation, and his unconditional presence to exalt the other? To give that Grace that has been given to us?
That’s what I don’t get about American Christianity – where Christians ultimately get to decide the range of commitment to Christ.
That determination of they become arbiters, where they conditionally get to decide how Christ must accept our thoughts and behaviors… all this while being “born from above.”
Its as almost if there is no cost to count, in abiding in Christ.
So I ask - Why do you, in the flesh, control of the spirit and its gifts you should embrace then? I am beginning to wonder if the flesh is not controlling the Spirit here still… and not the other way round.
Does my ego then decide what Christ should mean to me everyday - and how I approach my World?
(But don’t misunderstand- I’ll take all the compassion I can get, just the same!!! - Beggars are NOT Choosers.)
1,641 posted on
04/04/2022 3:15:12 PM PDT by
MurphsLaw
("Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? As for everyone who comes to me..."+++)
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