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Posted on 03/06/2022 11:16:06 AM PST by CharlesOConnell
A man commits a serious crime, then he gets released. He has "paid his debt to society". But wait a minute, he's only ready for the half-way house. He's unlikely to get a prestigious job in his new prison suit coat, or any job at all; he has civil impediments, he can't vote or hold certain offices. His crime was serious enough that he won't be presumed to have been completely rehabilitated until he performs a notable service to society, or at least spends many years on the straight and narrow, so that his crime can be truly overlooked or forgotten.
In Catholic faith, your "debt to society" is paid by Jesus Christ on Calvary. It's called "eternal punishment", without Christ it keeps you from going to heaven. Supposing that you do take advantage of His sacrifice, you're truly sorry, have a firm purpose of amendment, if you relapse, you go again for forgiveness (to the Sacrament of Confession).
But your sin leaves a strong trace at another layer of impurity called "temporal punishment due to sin", like the civil impediments facing the half-way house prisoner. Because "nothing impure can enter heaven", there is a place or a state, a condition of purification to render you fit for heaven after Christ has finally saved you from hell. The Catholic Church calls it purgatory.
(Where is it in the bible? Where is the word Trinity in the bible? Where does it say that you only need a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? Many valid principles aren't stated explicitly in the bible, but it does say to "hold fast to the traditions you have learned, whether by word or by letter", because much of the Gospel wasn't written down, as Jesus only wrote in the sand, the majority of the Gospel was taught from word to ear to people who couldn't afford expensive books, the exceptions were what tended to get written down. But the implication that there is a purgatory, is contained in the bible--see the comments.)
The ex-con can receive a pardon or commutation of his probation from a Governor, if he performs some heroic deed, saving numerous lives, or, like Chuck Colson, performs a long-lasting, valuable community service helping numerous people who can't help themselves.
In the Catholic Church there are 2 ways for the residual, temporal effects due to sin to be expiated: suffering in this life, or after life, undergoing purifying suffering along with other people who will finally be saved, but have to suffer for long without the vision of God--that is what causes them their pain.
Their suffering isn't meritorious enough to grant their release, the saints in heaven and those on earth suffering and practicing virtue can pray for the suffering souls in purgatory. In no way is their release by slow transfer of suffering or practice of virtue, "buying heaven". It's a long, excruciating process.
How the misunderstanding arose that Catholics think they can buy their way into heaven, is involved with history more than 500 years old. For a millennium of Christendom between roughly 410 and 1410, there was a Medieval civilization with harmony between faith and government.
Many small farmers would cluster around the manor house of a military lord who would protect them, in exchange for a certain fixed obligation of labor and agricultural produce. In most cases, those "serfs" had much more leisure than factory workers of the industrial revolution; there were a large number of holy days without work, and except for planting and harvesting, there were long stretches of idle time.
Another large sector of the economy surrounded monasteries, where the monks developed most of the farming practices that stabilized the serfs and their manorial lords. The monks who worked those monastic lands were sworn to poverty, so that monasteries built up large accumulations of economic value over decades and centuries of labor.
At the beginning, when lands were being cleared and put into production there weren't prominent town fairs ruled by merchants and bankers. Money wasn't used for sustenance, not even much barter occurred, life was mostly agrarian.
Charity was woven into the economy of monasteries. It was estimated that you only need travel 12 miles in medieval England between monasteries, where you could get a meal and minimal lodging for free, based on need. And the charity was also spiritual, including the ancient Catholic principle of prayer for the dead, which is biblical. (See "prayer for the dead" in the original King James Bible in the comment.)
There were foundations and benefices for praying for the dead, that allowed a person of means to support monasteries' charitable works, and in proportional response the monks would pray for the souls of the donors.
It happened at the close of the middle ages, that militarily strong nobles cast their eyes on the labor value accumulated by the poverty-sworn monks of the monasteries, which those nobles perceived as monetary wealth, especially where gold and jewels had been donated by the devout to adorn churches.
(Protestant writer William Cobbett wrote in his 1824 "A History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland", an anecdote, that an incredibly valuable, hand illustrated bible was stripped of it's bejeweled, gold cover, the much more valuable hand-illumined manuscript, thrown in the mud and trampled by horses hooves by raiders suppressing the monasteries in Henry VIII's England.)
A new religion growing up around this seizure of monastic lands and valuables, that sought to discredit the Catholic Church, spread the black legend that the "sale of indulgences" was abusive. But this was very exceptional. Today the stipend of a Mass said for the dead is $10.
Luircin: —> And that’s not even counting the dozen law experts that I cited that condemn EGW for her wickedness.
And I’m STILL waiting for that list of 12 LAW EXPERTS that Luircin cited that condemn EGW for her wickedness. Please list them. Go...
Are there 12 LAW EXPERTS?
only by GOD.
You mean to tell me you’ve never had the urge to monkey around?
it hopes in it.
You’re Jewish?
My acceptance will come when any part of it can be duplicated.
BS
——>I note that in FalseWorld, the victims will not admit they actually believe White traveled in a vision to other planets, saw and unfallen race, and hobnobbed with Enoch.
I proudly admit it.
So, you believe all those quotes in the OT were referring to you?
I only asked 6 simple questions in #2867.
Seems to me that a believer would have an answer to at least one of them.
Just can’t accept that we’re tired of playing with you?
And you believe that besides Christ Jesus, the only Perfect One, there are others just as perfect (sinless). That is blasphemy.
And you believe that besides Christ Jesus, the only Perfect One, there are others just as perfect (sinless). That is blasphemy.
Take any piece of long running and usable software.
Let random chance make ONE bit of code change.
Show me how the running of the program has IMPROVED, and I possibly could think that a living creature might do the same.
Better than.
Closing your eyes and plugging your ears like the tantrum-throwing toddler you act like doesn’t mean I’m not showing you.
Cry more like a little brat, Phil; your prophetess is a thief and in Hell.
“Better than.”
OK. A Jewish SDA?
(lmbo)
Psst, Phil, the link I gave you twice contains the citations that you’re demanding.
Are you not even mature enough to click a link?
-—>It’s blasphemous because it means that Jesus was NOT the only sinless one to ever live.
You would be right if we were only talking about ON THIS EARTH, but we aren’t. Have the angels who are in heaven right now, ever sinned? Is that blasphemous? Has Gabriel ever sinned? NO THEY HAVE NOT. How about other created beings on other planets? Get it?
At last you finally admit what you believe!
Why’d you have to stonewall on it so much? Ashamed? Worried that your reputation would take a hit?
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