Posted on 12/25/2021 6:29:28 PM PST by marshmallow
Are you saying the KGB did not commit atrocities? Low estimates place the number of victims placed into gulags by the KGB in the several millions. The KGB put down the Hungarians in 1956, the Prague Spring in 1968, routinely used violence and murdered countless numbers of people who merely wanted to be free, including artists, writers, and public figures in other countries outside of Russia. The KGB created modern terrorism from Carlos the Jackal to the Palestinians. Alexander Litvinenko, the fellow poisoned with Polonium 210, even calls Al-Qaeda a front of Russian intelligence, with its number 2 having been trained in an FSB camp:
A. Litvinenko: The bloodiest terrorists in the world were or are agents of the KGB-FSB. These are well-known, like Carlos Ilyich Ramiros, nicknamed "the Jackal," the late Yassir Arafat, Saddam Hussein, Adjalan (he is condemned in Turkey), Wadi Haddad, the head of the service of external operations of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Hauyi, the head of the communist party of Lebanon, Mr. Papaionnu from the Cyprus, Sean Garland from Ireland and many others. All of them were trained by the KGB, received money from there, weapons and explosives, counterfeit documents and a communication equipment for carrying out acts of terrorism worldwide.
FAKT: Some may object that each of the listed figures, and the forces supporting them, were engaged in solving their own political problems.
A. Litvinenko: Certainly, all these figures and movements operated under their own slogans; however, none of them especially hid their "intimate" ... relationship with the Kremlin and Lubyanka. There is a simple question: whether the Russian special services would train and finance people and groups that were not supervised by Lubyanka and did not serve the interests of the Kremlin? You understand perfectly, they would not. Each act of terrorism made by these people was carried out as an assignment and under the rigid control of the KGB of the USSR. And [the terrorism] ... is not casual after the disintegration of the USSR and [reform of the KGB]....
FAKT: Every terrorist you have named is from 'the old staff' of the KGB. Could you name someone from recent history?
A. Litvinenko: Certainly, here it is. The number two person in the terrorist organization al Qaeda, who they are crediting with the series of explosions in London, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is an old agent of the FSB. Being sentenced to death in Egypt for terrorism and hunted by Interpol, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in 1998, was in the territory of Dagestan, where for half a year he received special training at one of the educational bases of the FSB. After this training he was transferred to Afghanistan, where he had never been before and where, following the recommendation of his Lubyanka chiefs, he at once ... penetrated the milieu of bin Laden and soon became his assistant in al Qaeda.
FAKT: Could you hint at least, where this data comes from?
A. Litvinenko: I can. During my service in one of the most secret departments of the FSB, top officials from the UFSB of Dagestan, who had directly worked with Ayman al-Zawahiri ... were called to Moscow and received high posts.
http://www.konzervativnistrana.cz/temata/prispevek/article/is-al-qaeda-a-kremlin-proxy.html
I dont care if they operate from the same building or FSB was descended from NKVD
It's enough that the FSB is the direct successor of the KGB, that was killing countless people all the way up to the fall of the Berlin wall and even after that, and is manned by essentially the same people.
I am saying the exact opposite. Read what I wrote again. And learn to understand English.
Except it isn't. You cannot compare the FSB to the NKVD.
and is manned by essentially the same people
It isn't. The people who run the NKVD are quite different from the people running the FSB today.
And they were totally different times.
The name KGB did not exist during Stalin's time. The people who used that name are responsible for millions of deaths. Are you just confused about when the KGB existed? Or is your argument that the KGB has to be under the control of Stalin in order to be bad? If that's your argument, it is defeated by the fact that the KGB killed millions without the help of Stalin. If it is NOT your argument, then your argument is complete gibberish or maybe you need to "learn to understand English."
I said KGB. Why do you keep saying NKVD when quoting me talking about the KGB? The NKVD is only relevant in that the KGB was the eventual successor of the NKVD, with a few different name changes and reorganizations in between. Obviously original members of the NKVD would all be dead or very ancient. This is not a problem for people who were members of the KGB who were killing lots of people in recent history.
I know when the KGB was created and how.
Or is your argument that the KGB has to be under the control of Stalin in order to be bad?
BINGO!
You finally got it.
It was clear in my post. You just have difficulty understanding English. Plus the KGB after Stalin died was far milder than what they did under Stalin.
As for the FSB, they are not even on the same planet as NKVD/KGB under Stalin.
If that's your argument, it is defeated by the fact that the KGB killed millions without the help of Stalin.
And when was that exactly?
It did. It was called NKGB or Peoples Commissariat for State Security. It operated starting from just before WW2 when Stalin was very much in power.
Holy shit, that means you're really stupid.
Plus the KGB after Stalin died was far milder than what they did under Stalin.
Yeah, real mild! Practically gentle and zen like, or perhaps like Christ himself!
STFU troll. But at least your trolling allowed me to lay out many facts for other readers.
Will you excuse me while I laugh at you?
Yeah, real mild! Practically gentle and zen like, or perhaps like Christ himself!
Your words, not mine.
STFU troll.
You are the troll who started off by posting far left nonsense on this thread.
But at least your trolling allowed me to lay out many facts for other readers.
I doubt if any FR readers are fooled in any way by your foaming at the mouth post # 30 nonsense.
Freepers are much wiser than you think Mister Paid Troll.
This is why the left hates Putin and Russia. If they were more like China or the old Soviet Union, the left would love Russia.
You can say whatever you want, dumbass. You're either a really pathetic liar or a retard. See you in the funny pages!
No if I see you first. I avoid deranged far left paid trolls as much as is possible.
Chuckle.
talking with a worthless troll such as Greetings_Puny_Humans is a waste of time. The FBI is a greater danger to our freedom than anything currently coming out of Russia. We are the woke USSR.
Imagine being so fookin stupid you're calling an argument that consists of "The KGB committed countless atrocities", with specific examples, involving countless numbers of victims either imprisoned or outright murdered, "far left paid propaganda."
I'm slowly building a master post featuring dumb shit Putinists say. You've made the list for a number of your statements here. Congrats.
True.
The FBI is a greater danger to our freedom than anything currently coming out of Russia. We are the woke USSR
Correct.
That is not and has never been by the argument.
I'm slowly building a master post featuring dumb shit Putinists say.
You are going to have to step it up and build it up much quicker. And then read it all by yourself since no one else will read it. Chuckle.
You are openly engaging in Pro-KGB apologetics on the forum. You agreed to the question: "is your argument that the KGB has to be under the control of Stalin in order to be bad?" that that was indeed your argument. You stated that the KGB was "much more mild" after the death of Stalin... even though low estimates make the KGB responsible for the imprisonment of several millions of people, not to mention the violent eradication of uprisings within Soviet territory as I referenced before, the incessant persecution of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and his poisoning for the crime of writing "The Gulag Archipelago," and many other famous terror attacks, poisonings, and other assassinations across the globe.
In short, you are a liar and a complete trash human being. You are literally a subhuman.
I know. The world has gone crazy when the Russian President speaks far more sense than the American one.
You are going to need to go back to the OP.
This thread is about the transgender nonsense and Putin dismissing it out of hand.
For some reason, you got butt hurt by that (Chuckle) and tried to turn it into an anti KGB thread with plenty of mangled up “history” to boot.
Nobody is supporting the KGB here, but is the FSB the same as the NKVD or KGB?
Nope.
Is Putin being against the transgender crap somehow make him a Stalinist type NKVD/KGB? Nope.
The American one is a demented lunatic controlled
far left activists.
And he thinks men should compete in women’s sports as long as said men put on a dress.
Chuckle.
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