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“What is behind the papal strangulation of the old Mass? “
simple — satan
just ask the church lady !!
You are witnessing agnostic rage in a self loathing old man. He is a man who hated the way he led his life.
The Society of Jesus.
The ImPopester.
He is a tool of Satan.
Maybe because the pope is an indoctrinated, hateful leftist?
I’ll take a stab at it and say Progressive Postmodernism within the RCC?
What do I win??
While parishes are being closed all over the place and many dioceses in the church are in bankruptcy in the aftermath of the massive lawsuits related to sex abuse by priests, the traditional movement is flourishing in many parts of the world.
Hasn’t this been going on for 60 years?
"may" became "shall" and what was prescribed was abandoned.
"It was largely what came afterwards, with the explosive and revolutionary ‘implementation’ of the Council. The vast majority of bishops had no say (let alone anyone else) in the promulgation of the reformed Mass."
"However, at the Synod of Bishops in 1967 it is on record that only a minority of bishops present approved the New Order of Mass. Cardinal Heenan prophesied it would result in dwindling numbers. In spite of this, the Consilium pushed it through, calling on all to be a obedient to the “spirit of Vatican II.”
"Cardinal Ottaviani, then head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, complained that the new Mass marked a “striking departure” from the solemnly defined Catholic Eucharistic theology of the Council of Trent."
"In many ways it can be demonstrated that the Consilium’s new Mass was in no way what was envisaged by the Fathers at Vatican II. For example, the Council asks that “Latin is to be retained in all the rites” (it totally disappeared) and “Gregorian chant is to have pride of place” (It sadly has had no place at all!)"
I know a lady who works for a diocese in MA. She speaks with complete derision about the Lain Mass, like it’s some negative thing that needs to go away.
So what can we do about this, other than pray?
Can you say Satan?
Pachapapa Francis has had forever to crack down on these but insread harasses the TLM, contemplatives, etc:
1.) Drag Queen sings Ave Maria during “Mass for Victims of LGBT-Phobia” with “Cardinal” Da Rocha
In the description box there:
This took place on May 21, 2021, and was part of a “Mass for all LGBT people” presided over by “Cardinal” Sergio da Rocha, the Novus Ordo Archbishop of São Salvador da Bahia, Brazil...”
2.) Scantily Clad Girl Dancing in the Altar with the Priest
https://youtube.com/shorts/zTexZjr27aI?feature=share
3.) The priest does a Novus Ordo chicken dance while a poor tambourine gets beaten to death by someone else:
Oh Happy Day 2021 Easter
4.) Liturgical Abuse
5.) Check out 3:13 in this:
Liturgical abuses
6.) Novus Ordo vs. Tridentine Mass: Which Mass has been more abused?
7.) Traditional Latin Mass is not allowed in parishes, but Aztec dance is ok.
And there’s a whole lot more of this at YT from decade to decade and ongoing to even now. But where have the Vatican II popes been at denouncing these things?
If the theologies are that different, so different that the new rite excludes the old, then it’s certainly not the mass of Catholic Tradition that’s in error, otherwise the Catholic church was never the true church.
The TLM, existing long before even the 6th Ecumenical Council, was bolstered by the infallible and binding 6th and 19th Ecumenical Councils and the popes back then, with the 19th Ecumenical Council declaring the TLM cannot be abrogated.
But this pope is all over the map saying he wants one mass for all Roman Catholics when one strains to find two Novus Ordo masses that are the same even in the same state.
The moment one starts picking away at the ancient 6th Ecumenical Council the door is opened for the Ecumenical Council of Nicaea to be picked away at and tinkered with. But we know the 1st, 6th, and 19th Ecumenical Councils are solid because they are all based upon previous Sacred Scripture and Tradition, don’t conflict with them, innumerable popes then and afterwards bolstered them, and so on. They are eternal.
St. Sixtus c. 115 AD lets us know the standard even in his time was: “The Sacred Vessels are not to be handled by others than those consecrated to the Lord.”
The Sixth Ecumenical Council, at Constantinople (680-681) *Forbade the faithful to take the Sacred Host in their hand,* threatening transgressors with excommunication.
The Council of Trent (1545-1563), which declared the Latin Mass cannot be abrogated, also declared “The fact that only the priest gives Holy Communion with his consecrated hands *is an Apostolic Tradition”
The layity not receiving in the hand cannot be overturned as it would overturn Apostolic Tradition which would unravel the church. Pope Paul VI on Jan 12, 1966 declared that Vat II does not possess notes of infallibility and John XXIII and Benedict XVI both said Vatican II was not a dogmatic council.
So in the end, people cannot behave as if the infallible Ecumenical 6th and 19th Councils were somehow peddlers of lies and temporary truths and that Francis and his ilk are the only purveyors of truth, because truth isn’t temporary as it doesn’t change.
Pope Leo X’s papal bull excommunucating Martin Luther (Exsurge Domine) is as binding and as true as Pope Pius V’s papal bull Quo Primum and vice versa. Some may say that Francis can alter the mass via discipline but not true as a papal bull was attached to Quo Primum and as well to Martin Luther. Favoring Francis over Quo Primum means one might as well toss Exurge Domine and toss the Catholic Church out the window as well as Catholicism would then be meaningless.
Pope St. Eutychian, Pope St. Gregory, the 6th EcumenicalCouncil, the 19th Ecumenical Council and so on were all against receiving in the hand, forbad it, and the disciples could receive in the hand from Jesus because they were consecrated and lay people aren’t consecrated.
A major problem are those who attack the TLM while ignoring the elephant in the room: 51% of Novus Ordo types are pro-choice on abortion compared to just 1% of TLM adherents per an October 2018 Pew Research Poll.
But thankfully there are 49% or whatever % of NO who are pro-life and don’t support babies being destroyed, yet they do need to confront their fellow NO types that being pro-choice is a mortal sin and sternly confront them on this and can do so in the manner of not condemning as Jesus did in Jn. 8:11.
The attacks on the TLM while ignoring the 51% calamity show either secret pro-choice support or not caring about aborted babies even though Sacred Scripture says murder is a mortal sin (Gal. 5:19) and the church has always taught that abortion is murder.
Liturgical reforms need to be assessed as many other things are in the RCC - by their fruits - *for if the NO is shaping people in morally incoherent ways then this this is a major red flag for the NO.