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A Christmas REALITY - Mary Needed a Savior!
IFB ^ | 12/17/21

Posted on 12/17/2021 7:31:59 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

A Christmas REALITY - Mary Needed a Savior!

Just a thought for this Christmas season. One of the greatest myths in all of Christendom is that Mary (Miriam) - the young Jewish girl of king David's line - who gave birth to the Savior of the world was sinless. I myself was taught this as a boy in the Catholic church and it wasn't till I was born again and started reading the Holy Scriptures for myself that I saw the true folly of such a myth. My dear friends, no greater lie could ever be told or fantasy ever believed! When this lie is embraced it derails the total ETERNAL movement of Almighty God and seeks to make the temporal, fallen and mortal the ETERNAL, RIGHTEOUS and DIVINE (Rom. 10:4). Mary herself testified that she rejoiced in Almighty God her Savior and one does not need a Savior if one is not a sinner (Rom. 3:23, 6:23, 10:2-4, Acts 4:12)! If we let the Holy Scriptures of Almighty God and Mary's own personal testimony speak to us then this great fantasy of many can NEVER stand.

Mary herself testified that she rejoiced in Almighty God her Savior and one does not need a Savior if one is not a sinner.

And Mary herself said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate (to look with pity on her vile condition) of his handmaiden (slave): for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation (St. Luke 1:45-49).

Also the Holy Scriptures tell us that Mary offered a burnt offering and a sin offering for atonement after her purification (Leviticus 12:1-8). If Mary was not a fallen daughter fallen of Adam she would not have needed to offer an offering of sin.

And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons (St. Luke 2:22-24).

My dear friends, if you are one who holds to the teaching of the Catholic church on Mary of Nazareth I would like to challenge you to believe Almighty God's Word and receive the biblical position of Mary and that of salvation (John 1:12, Acts 16:28-30, Romans 6:23, 10:2-4, 1 John 5:13). Mary the young maiden - by faith - trusted in Almighty God for her ETERNAL salvation as a young girl before her angelic visitation and little did she know that she would be the vessel of Almighty God to bring forth the perfect body for her Lamb and propitiation of her soul (John 1:29, John 3:16-17, 36, Rom. 10:2-4, 1 John 2:2, 4:10).

Mary the young maiden - by faith - trusted in Almighty God for her ETERNAL salvation as a young girl before her angelic visitation and little did she know that she would be the vessel of Almighty God to bring forth the perfect body for her Lamb and propitiation of her soul.

The first Christmas two thousand years ago - the young Jewish girl of the tribe of Judea - Mary; was trying to comprehend and take in the wonders of the last nine months (Matt. 1, Luke 2:24-80). Mary was highly favored above all women and was given the Divine assignment to prepare the body for the ETERNAL Spirit of the Son of Almighty God (Isa. 9:6-7, Micah 5:2, John 1:12, Heb. 10). The true servant's heart and faith of Mary are to be greatly commended and her exampled followed; but when individuals seek to change her testimony and her witness to fantastic fables they do her and her ETERNAL Savior a great disservice and dishonor.

Mary needed a Savior and believed as the Word of God clearly stated (Lev.). What about you? If Mary was here today she would point you to her God and Savior, the Lord Jesus Messiah to save your soul and give you ETERNAL LIFE (John 3:16-17). What will you do? Will you listen to Biblical Mary or traditional Mary?

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!x


TOPICS: Apologetics; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: christmasmary; virginmary
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To: Toad of Toad Hall; The Ignorant Fisherman

If Mary was “conceived without sin” and “is the ever perfect, ever virgin Mother of God” because God chose to have it that way, why couldn’t JESUS be born without sin because God chose it that way?


61 posted on 12/17/2021 12:08:15 PM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Romulus

No, according to the Bible it does.


62 posted on 12/17/2021 12:29:46 PM PST by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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To: Romulus

PS: How could He save us from our sin(s) if He wasn’t born sinless?


63 posted on 12/17/2021 12:30:47 PM PST by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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To: Mr Rogers
why couldn’t JESUS be born without sin because God chose it that way?

Jesus was going to be born without sin no matter what. It would have been inappropriate for the vessel through which He came to be tainted. Everything Catholics believe about Mary boil down to, Because Jesus, therefore Mary. Mary has nothing outside the Will of God.

64 posted on 12/17/2021 12:51:56 PM PST by viewfromthefrontier
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To: SkyDancer

So how could Jesus have been born sinless?


65 posted on 12/17/2021 1:14:55 PM PST by Romulus
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman; Daffynition; cyn; Phinneous; SJackson; Jedediah
This thread is a great example of the dead, waste-oid, rat wheel debate-til-Kingdom-come mindset that needs to be rolled off of a cliff before it pulls everyone else down with it.

Behold a dove, the symbol of purity, innocence, and peace.

Here's a school book. Lead, follow, or get out of the way:

You are My Sunshine

God Bless America!

66 posted on 12/17/2021 1:20:35 PM PST by Ezekiel ("Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars.)
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To: Romulus

Seriously? Really. Seriously? Wow.


67 posted on 12/17/2021 1:24:31 PM PST by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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To: Romulus
So let me understand this magic.....adam and eve born sinless- but then sinned against God and ALL for eternity will inherit this sin.
But this God- man Jesus - born of a Jewish woman having the stain of that original sin- AND a sinner herself ..as all have sinned- somehow..abbacadabra... can produce a child, the Savior free of any sin? Please...
What magic is that?
How does that work... Did God take away her human sin and give it back to her after 9 months ?
I've read more believable Greek Mythology... Infallible Savior from a fallible human woman... who needs that?.... totally possible I'm sure /
68 posted on 12/17/2021 1:50:46 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel")
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To: 2harddrive
I have no idea what an infusion of grace is (or why you capitalize it as "Grace"). The Bible talks of grace with respect to God forgiving sins e.g.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.

More generally, Grace is something given to someone that they didn't earn. Mary being chosen to give birth to Jesus is an example. But it is not something that is or can be "infused". Saying that is utterly nonsensical.

Anyway, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that Mary was free of original sin from the moment of her conception. As I said:

The reason Jesus had to be born of a virgin is because he would have inherited Adam’s sin if he had a biological father. Somehow Mary was able to be without the taint of original sin with a biological father but Jesus was not if we believe Catholic theology.

This "infusion of grace" thing has nothing to do with that point.

How was Mary able to be able to be free of original sin even though she had a biological father? Why did Jesus have to be born of a virgin?

69 posted on 12/17/2021 2:55:42 PM PST by lasereye
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To: SkyDancer

Got anything else?


70 posted on 12/17/2021 3:47:19 PM PST by Romulus
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To: MurphsLaw

You are badly confused.


71 posted on 12/17/2021 3:48:34 PM PST by Romulus
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To: viewfromthefrontier
since God cannot look on sin?

If that is the case, explain the book of Job.

Satan himself has an audience with God. God created everything, don't forget. Why can't He look upon His own creation?

72 posted on 12/17/2021 3:52:08 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: Romulus
So how could Jesus have been born sinless?

Jesus did not inherit the original sin of Adam because he had no biological father. That's how Jesus could have been born sinless.

73 posted on 12/17/2021 5:38:32 PM PST by lasereye
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To: lasereye

Where in the bible does it say that’s how you get original sin?


74 posted on 12/17/2021 5:51:29 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Romans 5:12-19
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned— 13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come. 15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! 18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
This section of Romans 5 has been important in Christian theology because it teaches that all people are counted as sinful because Adam sinned. This is the doctrine of original sin. These verses say that Adam’s sin affected all humanity. But Paul’s main point is the contrast between Adam and Christ. In verse 12, Paul says that everyone sinned — that’s in the past tense. We all sinned when Adam sinned, because his sin counted for all his descendants. Because of what he did, we all sin and die. And since what Adam did affected everyone, it should be no surprise that what Christ (our Creator) did could also affect everyone.

Also 1 Cor 15:22: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive .

Notice it has nothing to do with Eve. Another verse that supports this idea is Hosea 6:7:

Like Adam, they [Israel] have broken the covenant—they were unfaithful to me there.

God seems to have held Adam solely responsible. The reason why only Adam was held responsible is generally assumed to be because of the headship of the husband over the wife and because he but not Eve, was given stewardship over God's creation.

75 posted on 12/17/2021 6:20:17 PM PST by lasereye
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To: lasereye

Why did Jesus die?


76 posted on 12/17/2021 6:24:24 PM PST by Romulus
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To: lasereye

Excuse me, but Jesus is descended from Adam. The bible doesn’t say anything about original sin descending in the paternal line only.


77 posted on 12/17/2021 6:43:35 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
I was being ironic.
And sarcastic.
78 posted on 12/17/2021 7:27:58 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel")
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To: MurphsLaw

So hard to tell sometimes. Should I have read your tag line?


79 posted on 12/17/2021 7:39:12 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
It is clearly implied by the fact of the virgin birth. What do you think is the reason Jesus had to be born of a virgin? To give honor to Mary???
Even if conception occurred without fertilization, the offspring should be a female and never a male because Mary’s body does not have the Y chromosome.

Jesus having the exact same chromosomes (identical DNA coding) as Mary, should have an identical physical feature as Mary – not to mention again that the offspring of a virgin birth should have been a girl.

God supplied the Y chromosomes by the power of the Holy Spirit in Jesus for him to become a man.

When Mary conceived without the help of a man, the fertilized egg contain only X chromosomes and the offspring should have been a female.

However in Luke 1:35, The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and he will be called the Son of God.”

God brought the Y chromosomes He took out of pre-fall Adam (Before Adam Sinned) and now put those chromosomes into the egg of Mary resulting in a XY / male offspring who was sinless and a pattern of the original sinless pre-fall Adam.

Since the Y chromosome was taken out of the sinless pre-fall Adam and the XX chromosomes in females do not transmit the original sin/sin nature, we can definitely conclude that Jesus was born without any responsibility for the original sin and neither did he inherit a sin nature.

80 posted on 12/17/2021 9:17:20 PM PST by lasereye
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