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A Christmas REALITY - Mary Needed a Savior!
IFB ^ | 12/17/21

Posted on 12/17/2021 7:31:59 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

A Christmas REALITY - Mary Needed a Savior!

Just a thought for this Christmas season. One of the greatest myths in all of Christendom is that Mary (Miriam) - the young Jewish girl of king David's line - who gave birth to the Savior of the world was sinless. I myself was taught this as a boy in the Catholic church and it wasn't till I was born again and started reading the Holy Scriptures for myself that I saw the true folly of such a myth. My dear friends, no greater lie could ever be told or fantasy ever believed! When this lie is embraced it derails the total ETERNAL movement of Almighty God and seeks to make the temporal, fallen and mortal the ETERNAL, RIGHTEOUS and DIVINE (Rom. 10:4). Mary herself testified that she rejoiced in Almighty God her Savior and one does not need a Savior if one is not a sinner (Rom. 3:23, 6:23, 10:2-4, Acts 4:12)! If we let the Holy Scriptures of Almighty God and Mary's own personal testimony speak to us then this great fantasy of many can NEVER stand.

Mary herself testified that she rejoiced in Almighty God her Savior and one does not need a Savior if one is not a sinner.

And Mary herself said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate (to look with pity on her vile condition) of his handmaiden (slave): for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation (St. Luke 1:45-49).

Also the Holy Scriptures tell us that Mary offered a burnt offering and a sin offering for atonement after her purification (Leviticus 12:1-8). If Mary was not a fallen daughter fallen of Adam she would not have needed to offer an offering of sin.

And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons (St. Luke 2:22-24).

My dear friends, if you are one who holds to the teaching of the Catholic church on Mary of Nazareth I would like to challenge you to believe Almighty God's Word and receive the biblical position of Mary and that of salvation (John 1:12, Acts 16:28-30, Romans 6:23, 10:2-4, 1 John 5:13). Mary the young maiden - by faith - trusted in Almighty God for her ETERNAL salvation as a young girl before her angelic visitation and little did she know that she would be the vessel of Almighty God to bring forth the perfect body for her Lamb and propitiation of her soul (John 1:29, John 3:16-17, 36, Rom. 10:2-4, 1 John 2:2, 4:10).

Mary the young maiden - by faith - trusted in Almighty God for her ETERNAL salvation as a young girl before her angelic visitation and little did she know that she would be the vessel of Almighty God to bring forth the perfect body for her Lamb and propitiation of her soul.

The first Christmas two thousand years ago - the young Jewish girl of the tribe of Judea - Mary; was trying to comprehend and take in the wonders of the last nine months (Matt. 1, Luke 2:24-80). Mary was highly favored above all women and was given the Divine assignment to prepare the body for the ETERNAL Spirit of the Son of Almighty God (Isa. 9:6-7, Micah 5:2, John 1:12, Heb. 10). The true servant's heart and faith of Mary are to be greatly commended and her exampled followed; but when individuals seek to change her testimony and her witness to fantastic fables they do her and her ETERNAL Savior a great disservice and dishonor.

Mary needed a Savior and believed as the Word of God clearly stated (Lev.). What about you? If Mary was here today she would point you to her God and Savior, the Lord Jesus Messiah to save your soul and give you ETERNAL LIFE (John 3:16-17). What will you do? Will you listen to Biblical Mary or traditional Mary?

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!x


TOPICS: Apologetics; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: christmasmary; virginmary
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The church has always held that Mary was sinless from conception. Show me one historian or church authority writing prior to the onslaught of protestantism that recorded that the church taught otherwise. (Even schismatic Luther held belief in the doctrine of the Immaculate conception!)
Besides, the atonement WAS applied to her prior to conception.


41 posted on 12/17/2021 9:29:27 AM PST by Repent and Believe (...unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish. - Jesus (Luke 13:3))
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To: 2harddrive

Where in the bible does it say she was born without sin? You won’t find it. The Catholic Church made it up


42 posted on 12/17/2021 9:36:22 AM PST by roving
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Her Immaculate Conception was a Grace won for her by her Redeeming Son. The Catholic Church, which is the Bride of Christ, has always held this doctrine, but it was not formally declared to be something that must be believed until the +1850’s.

It is both true and a mystery for us to believe this doctrine. For example, how did her flesh escape the original sin of both her parents? And how did the flesh that became the body of her Son also escape corruption? The Church does not specify how this came about.

However, Anne Catherine Emmerich, in her description of her private revelations written down by Clemans Bretano, describes how when Adam started walk towards Eve to commit Original Sin, God took some of his flesh. This flesh was used by God to bless Abraham and his descendants. Consequently the Jews would not leave Egypt until the Pharaoh released the bones of Joseph to them, who died without passing on the blessing, even enduring 10 different horrible punishments before releasing them. And it also explains why when Jacob stole the blessing from Esau it could not be reversed.

43 posted on 12/17/2021 9:38:31 AM PST by blackpacific
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

One can be without sin and need a savior. Mary is both. sinless and savable.

what she wasn’t is Catholic.

hehehe.

but she is adored by this Catholic.

why look for fables and myths when our world needs blessings.


44 posted on 12/17/2021 9:50:31 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: TexasFreeper2009
..."Joseph basically disappears from the bible after Jesus’s birth"...

Read the 2 genealogies in Mat 1 and Luke 3 and compare. Notice in Matthew that the seed line goes through David to Solomon and goes on till Jeconiah. This same man was called by 2 other names in Scripture. He was also called "Coniah" and "Jehoichin". In Jeremiah 22:30 God was angry with this same man and cursed him. God pronounced that NONE of his descendants would prosper. Being in the line of Jesus would be a problem for him by blood.

Now look at Luke 3:23. We see that Joseph was declared to be the son of Heli. Matthew 1:16 declares Joseph was born of Jacob. God would not recognize Joseph as anything legal in the line of Jesus as he came through Jeconiah who was cursed. So how would Joseph be said to come from Heli, who was actually Mary's father?

Zelophehad is mentioned in Numbers 36 dealing with the problem of a man that was in line to inherit property in the Promised Land but only had daughters and no sons to pass it on to. Moses consulted God and God told him to make a statute found in Numbers 36:6-13. It says that the women can marry who they want as long as they marry within their fathers tribe. When they marry this way, their husbands would be adopted and could hold property for the woman. Joseph would have been cursed according to his relationship to Jechoniah, but when he married Mary, Joseph became legally the son of Heli and could inherit property for her. Joseph couldn't be the blood donor to Jesus due to the curse, but he was the legal father and husband to Mary by adoption. The Holy Spirit supplied the male DNA and Mary provided the egg for Jesus and it could be traced to the line of David on both sides both legally and biologically.

45 posted on 12/17/2021 9:51:14 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
I left out something in my previous post. Notice in the geneology of Mary in Luke 3 that there was a split in the sons of David at Solomon and Nathan. Solomon's line contained the cursed seed line of Jeconiah, but Nathan was clean. Mary and Joseph both traced back to David but split with separate sons.

According to Scripture Jesus had to be from the line of David and He qualified through Solomon and Nathan.

46 posted on 12/17/2021 10:00:40 AM PST by chuckles
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To: roving

Where in the Bible does it say that the Catholic Church made it up?


47 posted on 12/17/2021 10:00:59 AM PST by Repent and Believe (...unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish. - Jesus (Luke 13:3))
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To: Repent and Believe

Are you serious?


48 posted on 12/17/2021 10:02:20 AM PST by caww ( )
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
Yeshua said: "I and the Father are One"

What does that imply? In all the OT and NT the Savior came to save. Read Isaiah's prophecy.

49 posted on 12/17/2021 10:02:21 AM PST by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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To: ShadowAce
He created us to Fall, and rely on faith to follow Him.

I did not say that God had forgotten. Humanity has forgotten, the logical result of the Fall.

We are created to live in loving union with God. That is the plan.

50 posted on 12/17/2021 10:07:27 AM PST by viewfromthefrontier
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To: caww

Yes, applying your own logic to your claim.


51 posted on 12/17/2021 10:07:36 AM PST by Repent and Believe (...unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish. - Jesus (Luke 13:3))
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To: Repent and Believe

Mary was never sinless....the only sinless person ever or ever will be is Jesus Christ. She was the birth mother of our Savior. It pretty much stops right there as to anything regarding her divinity which she never had nor does she now.


52 posted on 12/17/2021 10:14:48 AM PST by caww ( )
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God” does not say “all but Mary have sinned”. If it was so, it would SAY so.

She was a virtuous young woman, but not sinless.


53 posted on 12/17/2021 10:25:15 AM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Hieronymus
I just reviewed Luke 2:22-24 and Leviticus 12:1-8. This guy is full of Adam Shiff. How the author
believes that these these two passages have anything to do with Mary is beyond logic.

Read his passages for yourself and tell me where the heck he derives his premise.

54 posted on 12/17/2021 10:28:41 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Joseph basically disappears from the bible after Jesus’s birth.

Jesus' earthly father, Joseph, was a carpenter. We know this from the account of when Jesus began teaching in His hometown of Nazareth and His neighbors wondered at His abilities.

Matthew 13:54–55 says, "Coming to his hometown [Jesus] taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, 'Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?'"

In Mark's Gospel, a bit of different language appears to describe this same encounter: "'Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?' And they took offense at him" (Mark 6:3).

The word in both accounts that is translated "carpenter," could also mean builder or handyman. So it is possible that "carpenters" were the type of people you called when something needed to be fixed, whether made of wood, stone, or some other material. It is also possible a "carpenter" functioned as a type of civil engineer, possibly even designing bridges or other structures. We don't know for sure that Jesus was trained as a carpenter by Joseph, but it was common practice at that time and at that place.

How amazing to think that Jesus—the creator of the universe, our Savior and Lord, the Word of God, the Son of God—was taught to build things with the very materials He spoke into existence. How even more amazing that He is currently building His church (Matthew 16:18) and preparing a place for all who put their faith in Him (John 14:1–3).

55 posted on 12/17/2021 10:38:56 AM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: caww
the only sinless person ever or ever will be is Jesus Christ

Adam and Eve? Everyone in heaven, since God cannot look on sin?

56 posted on 12/17/2021 10:58:04 AM PST by viewfromthefrontier
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To: viewfromthefrontier

I think you understood the post clearly.


57 posted on 12/17/2021 11:05:16 AM PST by caww ( )
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To: Thommas

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I just reviewed Luke 2:22-24 and Leviticus 12:1-8. This guy is full of Adam Shiff. How the author
believes that these these two passages have anything to do with Mary is beyond logic.

Leviticus 12 deals with the time the Woman was to be in her blood after giving birth.

For a total of 40 days for Mary because Jesus was a firstborn male..

And there was an offering that she was to bring to the temple,along with her firstborn son, when the days of her purifying were complete.

It is written the offering at that time was to make atonement for her..

That’s exactly what is being described in Luke 2.
According to the law..

That day that Mary brought her firstborn son to the temple was 40 days from His birth..

Luke 2 and Leviticus 12 are talking about the exact same thing.

What it doesn’t say in Leviticus 12, is that the Father has one day,once a year, where people were to fast night and day, afflicting themselves.
It just so happens there is a reference to that day in Luke. With Anna the Prophetess fasting and praying night and day,on the same day 40 day old Jesus is presented in the temple.

40 days before that day would be a summer day/night that Jesus would have been born.

Today, that is commemorated on Groundhog day, which is 40 days from December 25.

Luke 2 and Leviticus 12 absolutely tie together.

As December 25 and 40 days later, Groundhog day tie together.

As the Father’s New Moon Day in His 6th month and 40 days later, the Father’s Day of Atonement, the 10th day of His 7th month with Simeon and Anna the Prophetess, tie together..


58 posted on 12/17/2021 11:23:36 AM PST by delchiante
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To: SkyDancer

According to you, it doesn’t work that way.


59 posted on 12/17/2021 11:53:00 AM PST by Romulus
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To: roving

Where in the bible does it say that the bible is the Christian Owner’s Manual, and that if it isn’t there, it isn’t real?


60 posted on 12/17/2021 11:55:53 AM PST by Romulus
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