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Catholic Priests in France ‘Must Report Abuse Allegations Heard in Confession’
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 10/12/21 | Angelique Chrisafis

Posted on 10/13/2021 7:22:40 PM PDT by marshmallow

Minister reprimands top bishop for claiming the secrecy of confessional ‘above laws of the Republic’

Catholic priests must report all child sexual abuse allegations to police, including if they hear about it in the secrecy of the confession box, the French interior minister has said after reprimanding France’s top bishop for claiming that the secrecy of the Catholic confessional was “above the laws of the Republic”.

France is reeling from the publication last week of a devastating independent report which found that at least 330,000 children were victims of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy and lay members of church institutions over the past 70 years, and that the crimes were covered up in a “systemic way” by the church.

France’s top bishop, Eric de Moulins-Beaufort, had initially expressed “shame and horror” at the report, but in an interview a few days later he sparked outrage by rejecting the commission’s recommendation to require priests to inform police of any child abuse cases learned about during the sacrament of confession.

Moulins-Beaufort, the head of the Bishops’ Conference of France, had told Franceinfo: “The secrecy of confession is a requirement and will remain a requirement – in a way, it is above the laws of the Republic. It creates a free space for speaking before God.”

The interior minister, summoned Moulins-Beaufort for a long meeting on Tuesday in which he made clear that professional secrecy – including that of the Catholic confessional – did not apply to disclosures of potentially criminal cases of sexual violence against children, which priests were obliged to report to the police and justice system.

Immediately after the meeting, Darmanin was applauded by members of parliament in the National Assembly when he said: “I told him what I say to all religions: there is no law that is superior to......

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1 posted on 10/13/2021 7:22:40 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Not gonna happen. As soon as anything is “reported” if it were to happen at all, confessions to priests would stop.


2 posted on 10/13/2021 7:24:20 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe 1)
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To: arthurus

“As soon as anything is “reported” if it were to happen at all, confessions to priests would stop.’

And that would be a good first step. Why should a molester be absolved from sin if he or she is unwilling to face the consequences.


3 posted on 10/13/2021 7:29:38 PM PDT by babygene (hMake America Great Again)
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To: babygene

The molester is not “absolved” unless he makes restitution i.e. turns himself in. Most folks, even some Catholics do not understand Confession at all. If penance is not performed there is no absolution. Penance for the commission of actual crimes confessed to a priest requires also confession to the Law. The confessing supplicant has to “face the music” to be absolved of the sin.


4 posted on 10/13/2021 7:49:05 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe m)
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To: babygene
And that would be a good first step. Why should a molester be absolved from sin if he or she is unwilling to face the consequences.

A penitent is only absolved from sins confessed if he is truly repentant and intends to make reparations if possible. If he lies to the priest and does not sincerely attempt to make things right, the absolution is invalid. In fact he compounds his sin.

5 posted on 10/13/2021 7:51:56 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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To: marshmallow

They cannot break the Seal of Confession.

Read “The Seal” by Father Tim Mockaitis.


6 posted on 10/13/2021 8:09:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: arthurus; fidelis

I understand that. I’m Catholic. So why would a molester go to confession knowing that he or she had to go public to be absolved of sin. They wouldn’t confess it anyway, so what’s the difference? the priest would have nothing to report.


7 posted on 10/13/2021 8:23:55 PM PDT by babygene (hMake America Great Again)
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To: arthurus
Most folks, even some Catholics do not understand Confession at all.

You're right. There is absolutely no biblical basis for confession to a priest. It's just another made-up catholic tradition.

8 posted on 10/13/2021 9:24:41 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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To: marshmallow

“Catholic Priests in France ‘Must Report Abuse Allegations Heard in Confession’”

...and anybody that confesses to not being jabbed.


9 posted on 10/14/2021 9:50:46 AM PDT by moovova (I'm dismayed that most of the world hates me for being non-vaxxed. Honest. No, really.)
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To: AlaskaErik
There is absolutely no biblical basis for confession to a priest. It's just another made-up catholic tradition.

Oh, really?? What butchered bible are you sourcing?

[21] He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. John Chapter 20

10 posted on 10/14/2021 12:41:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide

That is Jesus talking to his disciples. It has nothing to do with people confessing their sins to another man. Confessing your sins is between you and God. No third party intermediary needed or required. That is a totally made up thing.


11 posted on 10/14/2021 1:04:44 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Whom do you confess your sins to?


12 posted on 10/14/2021 1:07:46 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: AlaskaErik
No third party intermediary needed or required. That is a totally made up thing.

That's not what Jesus said in John 20. But then again prots are known to cherry pick their edited "bibles".

13 posted on 10/14/2021 1:10:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: babygene

But they do. Many don’t realize until they are in the confessional that penance for such a sin requires more than five Hail Marys .


14 posted on 10/14/2021 1:28:23 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe m)
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To: AlaskaErik

Non sequitur.


15 posted on 10/14/2021 1:28:43 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe m)
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To: arthurus
Well that's going work about as well as prosecuting Pedophile Priests.
16 posted on 10/14/2021 1:29:30 PM PDT by caww ( )
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To: AlaskaErik
That is Jesus talking to his disciples.

Jesus was talking to just His apostles at the Last Supper in 1 Corinthians when He instituted the Sacrament of Holy Communion. He wasn't talking to you.

Does your cult also ignore Holy Communion, as you ignore the Sacrament of Confession instituted in John 20?

17 posted on 10/14/2021 1:31:14 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide
Does your cult also ignore Holy Communion, as you ignore the Sacrament of Confession instituted in John 20?

Just because some churches don't misread the Bible doesn't make them a cult. The so-called sacrament of confession is a totally made up tradition with no biblical basis. Just like priestly celibacy. And churches do have communion, but it's considered symbolic. We don't believe we're eating the actual body of Christ.

18 posted on 10/14/2021 4:38:54 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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To: AlaskaErik
Just because some churches don't misread the Bible doesn't make them a cult.

Actually the cults cherry-pick their "bibles".

Communion - OK
Confession - Not OK

19 posted on 10/14/2021 5:00:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: arthurus

“Penance for the commission of actual crimes confessed to a priest requires also confession to the Law.”

I’ve heard this before, but have never seen an actual source for this rule. Do you have a source for this? It seems like it would require someone to reveal what was said under the seal in order to obtain absolution. Does it apply to all laws or just certain crimes or what?

FReegards


20 posted on 10/14/2021 5:35:38 PM PDT by Ransomed
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