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Pastor Karma Patras arrested, family death threatened for saying animal sacrifice is unnecessary
Exmuslims.org ^ | 2012

Posted on 10/13/2021 1:25:51 AM PDT by Cronos

Pastor Karma Patras stated in a sermon that animal sacrifice was unnecessary, citing the Bible. Muslims accused him of blaspheming against Islam and threatened to burn his sons alive if they did not leave town. Patras was arrested.

In October 2012, Pakistani Christian pastor Karma Patras delivered a speech at a funeral. In it, he explained the Biblical teaching that animal sacrifice was no longer necessary because of Christ’s sacrifice. The speech came only a few days before Eid-al-Adha, an Islamic holiday where ritual animal sacrifice is a common custom. There were some Muslims at the funeral, but there was no immediate sign of any discontent or anger.

Later that day, however, Karma was arrested. A blasphemy complaint had been registered against him. The complainant, who did not attend the funeral where the remarks were made, had apparently walked near it, overheard the comments, and misheard them as something more severe. He claimed he heard Karma say “the meat eaten by the Muslims on Eid-ul-Adha was like that of a dog.” Karma denied this characterization; however, from the day of his arrest, he would not see the outside world for several more months.

“I had come back home when someone informed me on the phone that the Muslims were angry over the sermon. I asked a few Christians to accompany me and we were just about to leave when the police arrived and arrested me.” - Karma Patras

On the eve of his arrest, angry protesters gathered outside the police station, demanding Karma be turned over to them. Police told them this was impossible, because Karma had already been transferred to a different location. Consequently, they turned their ire on Karma’s five sons, who were still in the village, threatening to burn them alive if they did not leave the village. Taking their threats seriously, Karma’s sons did indeed take their families and flee.

Later, however, Karma’s sons—along with others from the community—contacted the complainant to explain the misunderstanding. Evidently, he accepted their account of the comments Karma made and reconciled it with what he had heard; in February 2013, he contacted authorities and testified that his initial complaint had been a mistake. Karma was released on bail and the charges against him were subsequently dropped.

It is fortunate that in this case the complainant was satisfied that Karma did not really commit blasphemy, as he could well have been sentenced to death. It may be the only publicly-reported-upon blasphemy case in Pakistan’s history where the complainant withdrew their claim.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Islam
KEYWORDS: buhbye; karmapatras; pakistan
old one, but relevant today to many Christians who seem to be following the potential sacrifice of a red heifer with glee
1 posted on 10/13/2021 1:25:51 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
When I had a large farm I had several Muslims that regularly bought lambs from me. I always held back a few uncastrated ram lambs for them because that's how their religion calls for the lamb. They always brought a big huge Serbian guy with them who sat down with the lamb. He had a tiny little knife that he would flick slightly after feeling for the artery in the neck. The lamb never knew he was cut. He would bleed out unconscious in thirty seconds. The guy was so good at it it made me worry how he learned that. They butchered right there and saved every part to eat. And I mean every part!

Always very polite and very generous. They always brought a gift and I always reciprocated with hand packed produce I had put up.

2 posted on 10/13/2021 1:49:39 AM PDT by blackdog (Let's go Brandon!)
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The Pakistani Muslims are well known for having a collectively short fuse whenever “blasphemy” is suspected.

This existential danger makes it all the more remarkable that this is a country in possession of nuclear bombs.
I believe this has been so for the last 30 years. I really expected tempers and bombs to have flared by now, maybe aiming at India. So glad that I have been wrong thus far.


3 posted on 10/13/2021 1:51:41 AM PDT by lee martell
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The Pakistani Muslims are well known for having a collectively short fuse whenever “blasphemy” is suspected.

The Pakistani Muslims I knew, certainly were short fused, if anyone dare criticize Islam.

4 posted on 10/13/2021 2:27:06 AM PDT by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: blackdog

at least that was little to no pain for the lamb


5 posted on 10/13/2021 2:34:40 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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I've taken them to the local state licensed processing butcher. They killed on Tuesday mornings. It was horrific. In Wusconsin you are not allowed to kill and process on your farm except for personal consumption. It must be done by a licensed processor.

Most my livestock was sold in advance. An electronic auction guy comes to the farm and ultrasound scores the animals for muscling and fat. He then puts them on the electronic auction for bid. Processors from Minneapolis used to buy all my lambs. You must have at least a full semi load though. Otherwise you have to auction them off at your local livestock co-op auction where they pencil shrink you to the poor house. Once they know you've loaded and brought them to sale they know you don't want to load and drive them back home.

Best price and delivery is internet electronic auction.

6 posted on 10/13/2021 3:19:56 AM PDT by blackdog (Let's go Brandon!)
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Yes I agree. The little guys just walk about and collapse to sleep. No crazy violence, stress, or chaos, like on a kill floor operation. (If the person doing it knows what they are doing)


7 posted on 10/13/2021 3:24:48 AM PDT by blackdog (Let's go Brandon!)
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To: lee martell
The Pakistani Muslims are well known for having a collectively short fuse whenever “blasphemy” is suspected.

This existential danger makes it all the more remarkable that this is a country in possession of nuclear bombs.

Well, someone tell the Pakistanis I was strolling by the Presidential palace in Beijing and happened to overhear President Xi blaspheming the prophet Muhammad.

8 posted on 10/13/2021 3:44:30 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Cronos

Just more evidence that (p)islam is a “religion” of peace right?


9 posted on 10/13/2021 4:01:22 AM PDT by rfreedom4u ("You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas")
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They dont belong here...


10 posted on 10/13/2021 4:59:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: noiseman

The Pockis can’t understand Chinese.... :-D


11 posted on 10/13/2021 5:06:35 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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