Posted on 09/29/2021 7:38:03 AM PDT by ebb tide
Vatican Secretary of State Parolin issued a September 28 decree (below) confirming the need of a compulsory vaccination pass for Roman Curia staff, external contractors and visitors.
Thus, everyone entering the Vatican needs a vaccination which is free, or a costly negative Covid-19 test which must be paid by the employee.
In rare cases, medical exemptions are possible, unsurprisingly, exemptions on religious grounds are not considered.
Vatican personnel without a Covid-19 certification may not enter their workplace and this will be considered an unexcused absence. "Vaccination" protects neither against an infection nor against the spread of the infection.
Sign of the beast. End times are upon us. Sacrificed baby parts injected into your body. Satanic.
The purebloods are now considered heretics.
Puts not being vaccinated above venial and mortal sins. Vaxial?
Ping
They should be implementing mandatory monthly HIV testing.
So-called "vicar" of Christ: You ain't allowed here unless ya got the mark of the healthy beast.
Frankie is scared of dying and going to Hell ...
Amongst other things, IMO
Im already going to hell for not believing exactly like they say I should so why would this matter any more than that? Why cant I still talk directly to God like they said I could when Covid hit and all the preachers were sick?
I think Luther had a case.
Well to 100% fair, there has never been in Catholic theology a religious exemption for not taking medicines or vaccines. that is 100% accurate. So any Catholic going to their employer and saying as a Catholic I object on religous grounds has no standing. The Catholic Church has always argued someone on medical grounds as the right to get exempted from taking a medicine that would not help them and in fact could hurt them.
This is purely the Vatican deciding what the policy is to visit the Vatican Churches (Saint Peter) and Art Museums. So in reality who does this impact most, probably the millions of Catholics who visit the Vatican each year and tons of Chinese tourist who flock their in the Summer, at least it was the case in 2019 when I was there.
I suspect many of the posters where have never been to Vatican City and likely have no intention to go. Now with that said, with respect to Pope Francis I am no fan of his and in fact other than praying for the Pope at the Mass in the Eucharistic prayer, I don’t think much about him and short of him calling a Church Council, ignore everything he says.
My observation was related to the fact that this ungodly maxim ultimately rests on the authority of Bergoglio, (if in fact he is the legitimate pope, which I believe is still open for debate) I lived in Rome for almost three years when Pope Saint John Paul II was the pontiff and Asian tourists were commonplace then as well. Our Church is under siege. The thousands of faithful that were denied extreme unction and died without the sacraments during the plannedemic would not have happened without the Judas bishops and priests being cowards or complicit or both.
The Nuremberg Code applies to everyone, including the Pope.
He will need to be brought up on the dock and pay the price for anyone in the Vatican who gets seriously ill or dies from the mandatory vaxxes.
Really, the Nuremberg code. Are you bleeping serious? Nobody is mandating anything. You aren’t vaccinated then you can’t go Vatican City. Simple as that. Period. As for the Priests who work in the Vatican, what the heck does the Nuremberg have to do with them.
The Italians who work in Vatican City are under the jurisdiction of the Italian Government. All the Vatican said is that those who work in Vatican City need to be vaccinated. If your note, go find another job.
And the Nuremberg courts are for what is defined as a War Crime, not vaccine mandates. The same people who staff the Nuremberg courts are people in Governments in Europe mandating vaccines in their respective countries.
Not a chance, Murph. He is the first pope ordained as a priest (in 1969) after VC II.
He is a proud, rotten fruit of said Council and states so right here:
Pope says Vatican II shaped his theology, including in social teaching
“Well to 100% fair, there has never been in Catholic theology a religious exemption for not taking medicines or vaccines. that is 100% accurate. So any Catholic going to their employer and saying as a Catholic I object on religous grounds has no standing. “
This is from the Catholic Bishop in Colorado in his letter given to his priests. This letter was given to those faithful requesting religious exemption letters:
The Catholic Church teaches that a person may be required to refuse a medical intervention, including a vaccination, if his or her conscience comes to this judgment. While the Catholic Church does not prohibit the use of most vaccines, and generally encourages them to safeguard personal and
public health, the following authoritative Church teachings demonstrate the principled religious basis on which a Catholic may determine that he or she ought to refuse certain vaccines:
Vaccination is not morally obligatory in principle and so must be voluntary.
There is a moral duty to refuse the use of medical products, including certain vaccines, that are created using human cells lines derived from abortion; however, it is permissible to use such vaccines only under case-specific conditions—if there are no other alternatives available and the intent is to preserve life.
A person’s assessment of whether the benefits of a medical intervention outweigh the undesirable side-effects are to be respected unless they contradict authoritative Catholic
moral teachings.
A person is morally required to obey his or her conscience.
A Catholic may judge it wrong to receive certain vaccines for a variety of reasons consistent with these teachings, and there is no authoritative Church teaching universally obliging Catholics to receive any vaccine.
An individual Catholic may invoke Church teaching to refuse a vaccine that used abortion-derived cell lines at any stage of the creation of the vaccine. More generally, a Catholic
might refuse a vaccine based on the Church’s teachings concerning therapeutic proportionality.
Therapeutic proportionality is an assessment of whether the benefits of a medical intervention outweigh the undesirable side-effects and burdens in light of the integral good of the person, including spiritual, psychological, and bodily goods.
The judgment of therapeutic proportionality must be made by the person who is the potential recipient of the intervention, not by public health authorities or by other individuals who might judge differently in their own situations.
This is dangerous theological territory, in my view. Yes, the development of vaccines from aborted babies is morally illicit. That has been taught for a long time, going back to when Abortion became legal on demand in most countries and the Medical researchers began using stem cells from aborted fetuses for medical research.
As for this Bishop of Colorado, that may be appropriate for His Diocese and thus in terms of Catholic Discipline be acceptable but a different Catholic Bishop in a different Diocese may under his authority come to a different position.
Neither or right and neither or wrong since the issue her is Discipline and does not, unless we are talking about vaccines from aborted babies, contradict any Dogmatic Teaching.
I am vaccinated, after consultation with my Doctor. My Bishop is still requiring masks for attending Mass, although no limitation on numbers. He has not mandated vaccines but I don’t think he has said anything about using Catholic Doctrine for religious exemption.
The Morally bound to obey ones conscience always presupposes a 100 well informed one, which in today’s world, not sure is the case in most moral decisions.
Here is a reasonable and balanced article on US Catholic Bishops and Vaccine mandates. It is clear that the decision to issue a religious exemption or not is purely under the authority of the Local Bishop. The policy differs Diocese to Diocese.
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