Posted on 09/07/2021 10:57:51 AM PDT by ebb tide
The Vatican published on September 7 a preparatory document and handbook for the “Synod on Synodality,” a two year succession of worldly meetings and empty discussions. The "final document," expected in October 2023, is likely already written.
One of the main goals is "to live a participative and inclusive ecclesial process" that offers everyone" [except marginalised Catholics], especially those who for various reasons find themselves "on the margins," the opportunity "to express themselves and to be heard.”
The topics listed in the handbook are those imposed by the oligarchs: Covid-19, immigration, abuse-hoax, social justice, climate change. Nobody in the Francis church cares about topics relevant for the Church.
The handbook praises existing synodal/suicidal processes like those in Germany, South America, Ireland, and Australia, and demands to listen to youth, women, poor, foreigners and “Catholics who rarely or never practice their faith” - while competence is not sought after.
From 2024, the "results" of the Synod will be implemented worldwide into the collapsing Council Church.
Ping
If they listen to former Catholics, they’ll lose more Catholics, if the Holy Spirit is working.
No such animal
Once one is baptized in the Catholic Church one will be judged as a Catholic. Anyone who received Catechetical instruction sufficient to receive Eucharist/First Communion, one will be judged as Catholic
One can go to other Churches and faiths and pretend their has been a conversion, but per the Catechism, the magisterium and traditjon, God does not recognize this
It is why a priest will turn down a request from parents to baptize a child if the priest never sees the parents in Mass. He would be protecting the souls of the infant.
Vatican knows this
Well that depends. I’m a practicing Catholic, but if I no longer were it would because of the socialist and heretical positions of the Jesuit hack on the throne of Peter. I doubt that’s the kind of input they’re looking for though
Listening to why former Catholics left the Church is one thing, changing the Church to “correct aka adopt” why they left is another.
So if the former Catholics wanted to commit adulatory, sodomy, take drugs, and not take any time to go to Mass what is the Pope going to do?
“So, what drove you away.”
“There was really too much of that Jesus thing.”
The Holy spirit has kept the Catholic church close to God. That’s because the church is the inauguration of the kingdom of heaven, the Bride of Christ.
There is no other reason for the church to survive the actions of the various forces both within and without.
For me I always remember that we Catholics are privileged to meet with our High priest, Jesus Christ every time in the Eucharist.
The community is made up of flawed people, sinners like you, me, Jorge. But the High priest and Savior is without sin, uncorrupted.
Bergoglio will "accompany them" on their wide path to perdition.
So, if a lay catholic falls away due to heretical pronouncements from their hierarchy (as opposed to protesting the actual church doctrine), the heretics in the hierarchy are empowered to judge and/or punish them?
Not all lapsed catholics fell away over disagreement with traditional teaching. Many are disaffected by their parish and diocese falling away from traditional Catholic doctrine.
It would be a real hoot if they got a bunch of replies back that said, “I quit the Church 50 years ago when the Tridentine Mass was abolished.”
I said nothing about hierarchy. You know that we are to not Judge, only God judges.
So stop wasting my time
This is for anyone not aware of catholic doctrine
Haters of Catholicism will waste their time arguing with me.
So...
So far you've got half the problem defined. While I despise the South American Marxist pope, I also have a real problem with Catholic Charities spending a small fortune bringing in massive numbers of Latino and Afghani illegal aliens to our country, and we have to pay for their upkeep. The only money I contribute to the church these days is to the church's roof restoral project. Not a nickle for anything else.
Lol. You think I hate Catholicism, apparently.
You said nothing of hierarchy, but the issues in the Catholic church are intimately tied to hierarchy. I agree it is heretical to believe that a Bishop can pronounce judgment, but when the Bishop promotes other heresy, you end up with compound heresies.
It was a nice try to inoculate yourself from debate, but you failed. Intimidation does not work well on me.
I think you should make a list of complaints against the current head of your organization get your awesome bad self down to the local meeting house and nail that list to the front door. If you are really serious, you could make your list in Latin.
Well, gentlemen, here is where I stop to watch others go down the rabbit hole
My comment was plain and simple
There is no such thing as a former catholic as the title of the article errs in stating.
The Lord judges all Catholics as catholic upon death.
Anything they learned in second grade catechism stands. That includes the distinct ability to discern heresy
It includes knowing that to miss Mass on any Sunday for any invalid reason is a sin. A mortal sin. Confession yearly at least. When one misses these easily attainable tenets, one can easily discern heresy. Any second grader can tell you that humans are not infallible and that certainly includes the church hierarchy
They are not former Catholics with other people to point at
That is the extent of my argument.
When one DOES NOT miss these easily attainable tenets, one can easily discern heresy.
Brother you said a mouthful. Not a dime for Catholic Charities, the Bishops” Appeal, or Peter’s Pence. Not a dime
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