Posted on 09/04/2021 6:46:46 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
The taliban are not Arabs ( generally speaking).
They are Pashtun
I think they are all descendants of Ishmael.
No the Pashtun peoples are a sub group of Iranian. Think Babylonia if you want to go back in history.
The Arabs are completely different and actually not thrilled about the recent developments.
Now, the worst parts of Arab culture has arguably taken over many Islamic peoples (not all). So you might be thinking of that.
FWIW, I’m Israeli. This is local news.
“The Biblical record of Ishmael gives us the names of the 12 sons, but no clue as to how they might be connected to the modern Bedouin Tribes. This list is given to us in Genesis 25 and is later repeated in I Chronicles 1:29-33.
‘And these are their generations: the first-born of Ishmael, Nebaioth, then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, Mishma, and Dumah, Massa, Hadad, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. These are the sons of Ishmael.’”
https://nabataea.net/explore/history/12tribes/
It’s a murky picture, but between the unclear history of the descendants of the 12 tribes of Ishmael, God’s pronouncement that they shall be “wild” and always fighting against everybody, and the pervasiveness of Islam among them, there’s a good chance that is where these bloody killers come from.
Also remember, as a believer in Christ spiritually becomes a child of Abraham (Gal 3:7), so those who adopt Islam spiritually become a child of Mohammed who is traced back to Ishmael.
There is nothing murky about it.
The Pashtun people are not Semitic and, in fact, predate Abraham.
Also, quoting whatever Nazarene scripture is a really silly thing to quote to a Jewish person.
Physical line: then show me me the definitive genealogy of the people of the Taliban going back before Abraham that bypasses Ishmael without any possible branches that connects to Ishmael.
Spiritual line: you’re also missing the spiritual line for all Muslims that trace Mohammed and his followers back to Ishmael, the “wild man” whose “hand is against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren” (Genesis 16:12) (good description of the modern-day Taliban).
I’m getting ready for Rosh H so I’m out, but no, I’m not missing any of that.. in fact I’ve mentioned your second half in my post.
You’re just wrong and so firmly wrong I can’t be bothered to interact with your further.
That’s fine, but certainly not any way to prove your point in a discussion here. FR is a debate platform in the forum of ideas and if you make a challenge, you should be prepared to back it up with objective support and proof.
Being told you’re wrong without any definitive backup, just one’s personal opinion proves nothing.
If/when you choose to back up your opinion with factual lineage documentation, I’ll be interested.
In the meantime, I’ve provided reason that the Taliban is linked to Ishmael, and at this point, it looks like the Taliban is tied to Ishmael.
If you can refute my reasons with supportable rationale, I’m all ears.
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