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To: MurphsLaw
The fo9llowing, quoting you, is the heart of the dichotomy which you are promoting as if it is not duplicitous: "and the Sanctification side then does require us to make a change in our human nature - with the ultimate purpose being unto Salvation-" That is so subtle and so demonic! There is NOTHING in the sanctification process which can aid, add or amplify Justification. It is the lie that works are necessary for salvation which you are promoting with such a subtle lie. Works ARE NOT "with the ultimate purpose being unto Salvation", but you have openly contradicted what you and the 'catechisms' spuriously assert. Your religion DOES insist works are necessary for salvation, and you are so double minded that you can make the above assertion then deny that you are making that assertion.

God justified me when I truly believed in Whom God sent for my salvation. God did that not me. Thereafter my alive with Him abiding in my spirit is separate from my behavior mechanism, thus the sanctification process is a soulish endeavor, where my soul which is in the habit of sinning is slowly corrected to align with the nature of the Christ, and in the process we fail often but have a great High Priest. Not even one success or failure during the sanctification phase will add to or detract from what only God could do in Justifying me.

The state of your duplicitous mental tangle will say 'yes, but'. You will agree only God can justify me then your cathoilic deceived mind will add from Trent that works done by the grace of God are necessary for me to eventually obtain salvation. And the indoctrination of catholicism clouds your mind so thoroughly that you cannot see the duplicity.

47 posted on 07/21/2021 10:10:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
Duplicitous?
Before you start throwing around big words I have to go and look up while trying to reply to 1212, and bash Catholicism in the process...I eou lo d like to pint out your entire fith system is based on an unbiblical dualism thst is more of an affront to God than your mis informed "works" strawman.

But that aside- as you requested, since it is you who are deceived..Chapter8 -Trent:

And whereas the Apostle saith, that man is justified by faith and freely, those words are to be understood in that sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed; to wit, that we are therefore said to be justified by faith, because faith is the beginning of human salvation, the foundation, and the root of all Justification; without which it is impossible to please God, and to come unto the fellowship of His sons: but we are therefore said to be justified freely, because that none of those things which precede justification-whether faith or works-merit the grace itself of justification. For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace.

Do you disagree with this ? I dont think so.
i don't condemn your ideals for your salvation. I Dont agree and can list scripture that contradicts your position. As well,I can't even see a need for any "Sanctification" in your belief set. Once your saved... you should be saved. End of story. What could jeopardize your Salvation then for you in whatever you may not, or "fail", to do?
50 posted on 07/21/2021 11:10:17 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit")
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