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To: MHGinTN
Duplicitous?
Before you start throwing around big words I have to go and look up while trying to reply to 1212, and bash Catholicism in the process...I eou lo d like to pint out your entire fith system is based on an unbiblical dualism thst is more of an affront to God than your mis informed "works" strawman.

But that aside- as you requested, since it is you who are deceived..Chapter8 -Trent:

And whereas the Apostle saith, that man is justified by faith and freely, those words are to be understood in that sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed; to wit, that we are therefore said to be justified by faith, because faith is the beginning of human salvation, the foundation, and the root of all Justification; without which it is impossible to please God, and to come unto the fellowship of His sons: but we are therefore said to be justified freely, because that none of those things which precede justification-whether faith or works-merit the grace itself of justification. For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace.

Do you disagree with this ? I dont think so.
i don't condemn your ideals for your salvation. I Dont agree and can list scripture that contradicts your position. As well,I can't even see a need for any "Sanctification" in your belief set. Once your saved... you should be saved. End of story. What could jeopardize your Salvation then for you in whatever you may not, or "fail", to do?
50 posted on 07/21/2021 11:10:17 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit")
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To: MurphsLaw
As noted, it is right there before your 'eyes' that there i nothing that is more powerful than God Who has me in His hands forever more, so there is nothing and no one who can cancel or reverse what God has done for me, and which, in my faithing in Him gives glory ONLY to Christ, as God fully intended. The moment I was born agaon by His Grace toward me as I believed in Whom He sent for my deliverance from the penalty, power, and presence of sin, in that moment I was born out of the fleshly family and into the spiritual family of God through Jesus Christ.

That instant is finished, as Jesus proclaimed from the Cross: he had paid the penalty for/of what I deserve.That moment is a spiritual marker that has no extra moments in order to be timelessly recorded in God's 'book'. And it is an irrevocable moment of God's Promise in action.

Your religion has added mythical moments to that God ordained moment... as an empowerment scheme for a priestly ORG or a brilliant means by which Satan can manipulkate men's SOULS intyo not participating in what God ordains for each of us if we shall ONLY believe. In believing I humble affirm that He can accomplish what He promises, for in the moment I was born again there was and is nothing needed to be added for my Justification. Using double-talk to add 'graces for fealty to an ORG's sacramental requirements exposes origins of your religion's dogms, not requirements from God.

Justification stands without ANY addition. There is nothing in the next phase -the saving from the power of sin- that effects in any way what only God can do and that is justify me before the Holy God of my Salvation. Yes, catholicism is a works based religion. Your mind is duplicitous when you try to re define the additions your religion rtequires to have wht Only God can provide on the spiritual plane of relity. You do not Obtain eternal life, as if there is some work needed to receive the Grace of God in Christ. That myth steals from The Glory due only to Christ Jesus, my Redeemer..

51 posted on 07/22/2021 7:25:43 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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