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Fr. Altman slams Vatican II, Bishop Barron for ambiguity on salvation
LifeSite News ^ | June 28, 2021 | Emily Mangiaracina

Posted on 06/28/2021 3:58:25 PM PDT by ebb tide

Fr. Altman slams Vatican II, Bishop Barron for ambiguity on salvation

Altman traced Bishop Barron’s declaration that Jesus is the ‘privileged way’ of salvation to ‘some sketchy stuff’ in Lumen Gentium.

WHITE BEAR LAKE, Minnesota, June 28, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) – Father James Altman, known for his fearless admonitions to Catholic laity and clergy alike to live in accordance with their faith, has ripped the Second Vatican Council as a source of teaching error, including one proclaimed by Bishop Robert Barron.

During a speaking engagement in White Bear Lake, Minnesota, Altman confronted head-on what he sees as problems with Vatican II.

“You can look at the Vatican II documents. People say, ‘Oh there’s nothing wrong with the Vatican II documents,’” Altman began, going on to argue that the documents open up the door for incorrect teaching of the Catholic faith.

“First of all, Nostra Aetate, bad news,” Altman continued. “I think it’s 15 through 18 in Lumen Gentium – there’s some sketchy stuff in there that leaves it so broad, so ambiguous, and so open for interpretation, it’s open so that Bishop Barron can say, ‘Well, Jesus is just the privileged way.’”

“No Bishop Barron, you have it wrong,” Altman continued. “Jesus is the way. The only way. And if you’re not going to say it, get out of the Catholic Church, Bishop Barron.”

Altman chided Barron for this very claim that Jesus is the “privileged” way in a May interview with former Episcopal priest turned Catholic apologist Dr. Taylor Marshall.

“That is heresy,” Altman said at the time. “You should get excommunicated for that, until you repent of it, recant of it, and repair the damage you have done.”

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: bobbybarron; francisbishop; heretic; vcii

Altman chided Barron for this very claim that Jesus is the “privileged” way in a May interview with former Episcopal priest turned Catholic apologist Dr. Taylor Marshall.

“That is heresy,” Altman said at the time. “You should get excommunicated for that, until you repent of it, recant of it, and repair the damage you have done.”

1 posted on 06/28/2021 3:58:25 PM PDT by ebb tide
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Ping


2 posted on 06/28/2021 3:59:35 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MurphsLaw; Marchmain
Bergolio's Bobby Barron Ping for his groupies

Barron was consecrated a bishop in 2015, during the reign of terror of Jorge the Humble.

And no, Murph, this has nothing to do with your boogiemen, "schismatics".

3 posted on 06/28/2021 4:09:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; MurphsLaw

At least Barron is responsible, respectful, intelligent, and reasonable. Not full of accusations, extreme demands, name-calling and rabble-rousing and Altman, Voris — I won’t say Vigano since I promised to be nice to him!


4 posted on 06/28/2021 5:14:53 PM PDT by Marchmain (beware the dictatorship of relativism)
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To: ebb tide

As a result of Vat 2 the 12th Day of Christmas known as The Epiphany no longer appears on most calendars which it used to do http://www.theusmat.com/natdesk.htm


5 posted on 06/28/2021 5:18:00 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (AKA Lee J Keslin posting in the hopes comments get passed around )
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To: Marchmain; MurphsLaw
At least Barron is responsible, respectful, intelligent, and reasonable.

Lucifer has two of the same qualities.

What's your point?

Lucifer is far more intelligent than Bobby Barron, and Luther is responsible for most of the souls in Hell. Lucifer was more intelligent than Adam and Eve and is partly responsible for their original sin. Do you think Bobby Barron and James Martin, S.J. could be responsible for a few more souls being, with Satan's approval, damned?

Oh, I forgot: Bobby Barron "dares hope" Hell is empty! And the pope who has made him a bishop has declared Hell doesn't exist. How about that?

Do you really think Jesus Christ is just the "privileged way" to salvation, Marchmain.

6 posted on 06/28/2021 6:26:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Marchmain

There would be no reason for you to bring up Archbishop Vigano in this thread is there? Yet, you had to associate him with the homo Voris and the good Fr. Altman.

Yet, you defend the homo-friendly, “hell is empty”, Boobie Barron like a guard dog. Satan has such “dogs”.


7 posted on 06/28/2021 6:36:45 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Marchmain

“...Barron is responsible, respectful, intelligent, and reasonable...”

__________

I’m sure he is all those things, while also, of course, being a stealth Protestant.


8 posted on 06/29/2021 3:22:36 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: ebb tide; Marchmain
I like Father Altman very much.... his take IS NOT ONE OF SCHISMATICISM either.... his approach is to get out if you dont follow the Church. Perhaps these two men will discuss....as far as Bp.Barron...
let the him bring those into the Church who want the Church. Stop worrying about those OUTSIDE THE CHURCH

I DO WISH Fr. Altman would GO AFTER Bps. Cupich Tobin McElroy Gregory etc by name - AS WELL.

THAT IS WHERE THE BATTLE IS AT!!!!

But Im curious as to why Bishop Barron is the attackee here.... he has pushed the Real Presence siuation for years now.... and just now its becoming popular...hmmm...
9 posted on 06/29/2021 7:33:57 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (Blessed Virgin Mary...."Surely, from now on ALL generations will call me blessed;")
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To: one guy in new jersey

You mean a Protestant that teaches the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist... yes?


10 posted on 06/29/2021 7:36:25 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (Blessed Virgin Mary...."Surely, from now on ALL generations will call me blessed;")
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To: MurphsLaw

Biden and Bergoglio are also “popular”.

What’s your point? Apparently, neither of the above, like Barron, are worried about Hell either.


11 posted on 06/29/2021 7:49:14 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MurphsLaw
I like Father Altman very much.... his take IS NOT ONE OF SCHISMATICISM either.... his approach is to get out if you dont follow the Church.

Isn't that your take also? You encouraged frustrated traditional Catholics to apostatize and become Orthodox.

12 posted on 06/29/2021 10:01:41 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MurphsLaw

He teaches that the Annointing of God is a way, a truth, a light.


13 posted on 06/29/2021 10:07:14 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey; MurphsLaw

Anointed


14 posted on 06/29/2021 10:08:02 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey
He teaches that the Annointing of God is a way, a truth, a light.

Who are you talking about?

Fr. Altman or Bishop Barron?

15 posted on 06/29/2021 10:31:39 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Bishop Barron teaches that the Annointed of God is a way, a truth, and a light.

Fr. Altman teaches that the Annointed of God is the way, the truth, and the light.


16 posted on 06/29/2021 11:07:53 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey; MurphsLaw

So the two teach different gospels.


17 posted on 06/29/2021 12:46:07 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

The way Bishop Barron and his ilk treat Jesus Christ as a minor league version of God is revolting and has doubtlessly pushed many thousands who were on the fence regarding further involvement with the One True Faith right the heck out of the Ark of Salvation.


18 posted on 06/29/2021 5:49:25 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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