Posted on 06/21/2021 9:13:45 AM PDT by Marchmain
Critics slammed The New York Times for a piece claiming Pope Francis was "liberal" and that the Catholic Church was being further polarized by a conservative movement at odds with Vatican leadership.
The report on a vote by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) to advance a push by "conservative bishops" to deny Communion to pro-choice Catholic politicians like President Biden has drawn a strong reaction.
The Times reported the vote showed that a conservative movement was deciding how the Church asserted its power in the U.S., and that the "Catholic faithful" were more polarized because of it. They added that the 73% vote in favor of drafting a document on the meaning of the Eucharist represented a conservative momentum at odds with Pope Francis' priorities on issues like immigration and climate change.
In the Catholic celebration of the Eucharist, bread and wine are blessed and become the living body and blood of Jesus Christ, which is then received by the faithful as Holy Communion.
The Washington Post also came under fire over the weekend for a piece it published describing Biden as "deeply Catholic" while analyzing the debate over Biden's support for abortion rights and his ability to take Communion.
"That's a private matter and I don't think that's going to happen," Biden said when asked about the vote and the possibility he could be denied Communion.
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He ain’t ‘liberal’ he’s communist...................
Actually, Pope Francis is a Marxist who became pope when other Marxists in the Vatican ousted Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and installed one of their own. So the split within the Church, while certainly political, wasn’t caused by conservatives.
The REAL shock is the New York Times printing anything truthful.
First Fatima, then Garabandal.
Liberal? He’s a friggn PRC owned and operated COMMIE!
Not liberal; APOSTATE
The church needs to decide if they are going to stand in the light or hide in the shadows...
Let’s hope not Garabandal.
And, after all that Fatima spoke to and warned about has happened and come to be, we could use a Divine Correction.
I think of it as being like a full dress rehearsal before The Show.
Sorta like a mini-Judgment for the world! before Judgement for real. … a Purification.
Otherwise, so many would be lost. Jesus came to save first and this will wake up a LOT of us who would otherwise be lost when He comes back as Judge.
Did that Joey guy get his vision back before he passed?
Not that I know of …
Wise words and well said.
As one poster wryly stated,
The last time the church imposed its judgment in an authoritative manner on "areas of legitimate disagreement," the conservative Catholics became the Sedevacantists and the Society of St. Pius X, the moderate Catholics became the conservatives, the liberal Catholics became the moderates, and the folks who were excommunicated, silenced, refused Catholic burial, etc. became the liberals. The event that brought this shift was Vatican II; conservatives then couldn't handle having to actually obey the church on matters they were uncomfortable with, so they left. ” Nathan, https://christopherblosser.wordpress.com/2005/05/16/fr-michael-orsi-on-different-levels-of-catholic-teaching (original http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/blog/2005/05/fr-michael-orsi-on-different-levels-of.html)
A web site popular among “RadTrad” RCs who reject Vatican Two is https://novusordowatch.org with some detail, while we have a more charitable description by a novus ordo priest:
It is certainly possible to discern three tribes within American Catholicism. However, using the Jewish terminology is confusing. “Orthodox,” “Conservative,” and “Reform” do not translate well into American Catholicism. Clearer titles for the three tribes might be “Traditionalist” which correlates with the Jewish “Orthodox.” “Magisterial” because “conservative” Catholics adhere to papal teachings and the magisterium, while “Progressive” reflects the “Reformed” group in Judaism....
Broadly speaking, “Traditionalists” adhere to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, the Baltimore Catechism, and Church teachings from before the Second Vatican Council...
“Magisterial” Catholics put loyalty to the authority of the pope and magisterial teaching first and foremost. They are happy with the principles of the Second Vatican Council, but want to “Reform the Reform.” They want to celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass with solemnity, reverence, and fine music. ..They uphold traditional Catholic teaching in faith and morals, but wish to communicate and live these truths in an up-to-date and relevant way...
The “Progressives” are vitally interested in peace and justice issues. They’re enthusiastic about serving the marginalized and working for institutional change. They are likely to embrace freer forms of worship, dabble in alternative spiritualities, and be eager to make the Catholic faith relevant and practical. Progressives believe the Church should adapt to the modern age... Maguire sums up their attitude pretty well: Progressives “don’t need the Vatican. Their conscience is their Vatican.” -Is Catholicism about to break into three? ? Crux Catholic Media Inc. ^ | Oct 6, 2015 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3778496/posts
And thus you have FR articles as,
Archbishop Viganò: We Are Witnessing Creation of a ‘New Church ’
The SSPX's Relationship with Francis: Is it Traditional? post #6
Is the Catholic Church in De Facto Schism?
The Impossibility of Judging or Deposing a True Pope...If Francis is a true Pope …
I’ve learned to be especially wary of how our politics today are corrosive and corrupt all touched to eventually become Satan’s killing fields, and there’s a lot of politics in the Church/churches!
To me, it’s hard to imagine a more confused bunch of humans than humanity is now about our most important questions and these ever so interesting times.
As a seeker and observer, I do find what Mother Mary says in this True Life In God message from 11/24/91 to be provoking:
“you do not know what God has reserved for this evil generation, but have in mind how in rebellious times His Hand fell on sinful men, and that was, then, a fraction of what He has now in store for you; His Justice will respond from His Holy Abode in accordance to the sins of this generation; He will come with Fire, thunder, hurricane and flame of devouring Fire to burn up the crimes of the world; no, you do not know what the Almighty has reserved for you to purge mankind;”At a minimum Mother Mary has me thinking “tornado in a trailer park” and we’re in a trailer that’s not tied down.“the signs are there all around you, but few see or notice them; innocent blood is shed of My sons’ and daughters’ for Satan; this innocent blood is offered like a holocaust to the Evil one; Satan’s plan is to strip this world from its creation, annihilate you all and engulf you all in flames; he wants one big holocaust out of all of you; I shout, I cry out, I shed Tears of Blood, but few pay attention; God will be coming to you but you do not know in which way;”
Then, in that “mom voice” in my head I hear: “Change into some appropriate clothing and quickly move to a safe and distance place.”
Okay, Mom!
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