[SkyDancer]

I sure do. You've got it all twisted around. You have 100 verses describing the Second Coming and 30 verses used to prove the Rapture; unfortunately for you those verses are after those that describe the Second Coming.

Verses taken out of context form a pretext.

Obviously you read the Bible with blinders on, can't see the whole text of the message. You should read the Bible without chapters and verses to see the whole picture.

The Bible was fragmented into chapters and verses in the early to mid 16th. century and what it did was to fracture the Bible into stand alone verses to make a statement - then a verse here and a verse there were tied together to form some sort of opinion that later became fact as in this Rapture thing.

[MHGinTN]

What do you mkae of the scene found in John 13 and fourteen? When do you suppose Jesus began the Upper Room Discourse? And with what did He end it? I see that section as Jesus introducing what He intends to do with His Ekklesia, the church, which he only mentions earlier with the profession by Peter of Whom Jesus Is.

[crazy scenario]

So according to you, Yeshua returns to stop Armageddon and THEN the Rapture takes place.... THEN the thousand year reign of Yeshua takes place.......like I said you sure know your scripture.

"I sure do. You've got it all twisted around. You have 100 verses describing the Second Coming and 30 verses used to prove the Rapture; unfortunately for you those verses are after those that describe the Second Coming."

Your logic and compression are extraordinary. I hope your not the navigator on that puddle jumper you portend to fly.