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Removing Roadside Cross Did Not Violate Father's 1st Amendment Rights
Religion Clause ^ | 3/25/21 | Howard Friedman

Posted on 03/30/2021 6:28:29 PM PDT by marshmallow

In Kelly v. Montana Department of Transportation, (D MT, March 23, 2021), a Montana federal district court adopted a magistrate's recommendations, 2021 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 55046 (D MT, March 9, 2021). The magistrate recommended dismissing 1st Amendment objections to the removal of a "spiritual cross" that plaintiff had erected along side of a highway in memory of his stepson. Rejecting free speech claims, the magistrate held that "a spiritual cross erected on public land adjacent to a highway constitutes government speech." Rejecting free exercise claims, the magistrate said in part:

Kelly does not allege that the Defendants prohibited him from freely exercising his religious beliefs though private speech.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; firstamendment; montana
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1 posted on 03/30/2021 6:28:29 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

You are free to put it up. Government is free to take it down. If you want it to STAY up, put it up on private property.


2 posted on 03/30/2021 6:31:43 PM PDT by taxcontrol (You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: marshmallow

Its on a piece of public land. So he probably didn’t even talk to the officials in charge before doing it.

This is a nothing burger.


3 posted on 03/30/2021 6:34:20 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Under the equal protection clause, ALL memorials to deceased loved ones HAVE to be removed. There is no freedom from religion guaranteed by the Bill of Rights or Constitution.

4 posted on 03/30/2021 6:34:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: taxcontrol

Yes, unfortunately I agree with the decision. You can’t put ads on public property without paying for them.

And it’s a religious symbol. Especially forbidden by the Constitution.


5 posted on 03/30/2021 6:35:53 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (As Patrick Henry once said, "Give me Liberty or Give me Death!" Especially now.)
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To: marshmallow

Conservative Christians should adopt the Rainbow flag minus a stripe.


6 posted on 03/30/2021 6:41:26 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Hillary Clinton =The Pig In A Pantsuit (The PIAPS))
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To: taxcontrol

Agreed. Don’t see any oppression or infringement of anyone’s religious liberties here


7 posted on 03/30/2021 6:45:41 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

“Agreed. Don’t see any oppression or infringement of anyone’s religious liberties here”

Agree too, where does it end if allowed? Part of the reason that we need government is to manage public land...this seems to be part of that job.


8 posted on 03/30/2021 7:26:26 PM PDT by BobL
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To: marshmallow

Does placing political signs on government land or property (median strips, parks and public school land) also violate the law by using public property for partisan political purposes? I see it done all the time, with apparent impunity.


9 posted on 03/30/2021 7:32:17 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: marshmallow

Free speech or not, those roadside memorial crosses signal better than anything when a stretch of road requires extra caution. Shame on Montana.


10 posted on 03/30/2021 8:29:47 PM PDT by SovereignVA
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To: marshmallow

Precious government property protected from a cross but a border not protected from invaders.


11 posted on 03/30/2021 8:32:15 PM PDT by Irenic ( )
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To: proud American in Canada
And it’s a religious symbol. Especially forbidden by the Constitution.

Where, if I may ask?

12 posted on 03/30/2021 9:23:01 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: marshmallow

When was the plaintiff not deemed “public”? The public owns public property, ROW and MDOT too.


13 posted on 03/30/2021 11:52:06 PM PDT by Freetohope
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To: proud American in Canada
And it’s a religious symbol. Especially forbidden by the Constitution.

Irrelevant. Shouldn't even be mentioned.

The sign in question is just as illegal as a sign proclaiming "Eat at Joe's."

Public land. No need to comment upon its contents.

Regards,

14 posted on 03/31/2021 12:05:46 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: marshmallow

When I was growing up in Hawaii (TH), foot-long white memorial crosses were painted on the highway margins.

Now we have Diversity, and no reminders of road hazards.


15 posted on 03/31/2021 2:44:04 AM PDT by Does so (The Media is the enemy of the people...Trial lawyers close behind...)
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To: Does so

Roadside memorial kills motorcyclist swerving to miss it as he tries to regain control after avoiding impaired driver on highway 61...


16 posted on 03/31/2021 4:43:57 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: Does so

Back in the fifties and sixties the Ohio State Patrol would paint x’s on the road where people died. I remember traveling through Ohio to get to Michigan and as a kid knowing what the x’s were I recall seeing a lot of x’s sometimes and it was kind of freaky. But I guess that was the reasoning behind the practice.


17 posted on 03/31/2021 4:46:45 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: Does so

What does the “(TH)” mean? It’s not an ordinal.


18 posted on 03/31/2021 4:51:14 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: marshmallow

Courtesy of a rent-a-rig (oil) company, I worked in Venezuela in the ‘80s. We were driving along a road when, for the first time, I saw a clutch of crosses alongside the road. I said it was a strange place for a small cemetery (there were over 20) and was told that there was a custom of placing roadside crosses when someone was killed in an auto accident. In this case, a bus overturned.

A few years later, I started seeing them in California and evidently, that meme has caught on here.


19 posted on 03/31/2021 8:49:57 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: proud American in Canada

Bullshit


20 posted on 03/31/2021 9:13:51 AM PDT by wardaddy (P IN 1999 JIM THOMPSON WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE BUSHES ...WE WERE WRONG lz’’z:s)
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