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Thanks for the links and discussion. I'm afraid I disagree with the theory Gog or Magog are NATO or any American President. (Magog means the "prince of Rosh." (Gog). Rosh is the old root word for the land of Russia.) and seemly drawn into a Middle East conflict, reluctantly - as I read it.

That said, many prophecies have many layers. I agree the Bushes, America, NATO, Israel, Russia, Iran, and others played major roles in bringing about what now exists in the Middle East.

We're all guilty of not doing what God has commanded, and now there is a price to be paid for those sins. I think America will be first on the list, as we're already witnessing. Israel will follow, and then the entire world.

I believe as Christ said, "except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

The days are shortened because He returns to our realm to set up God's Kingdom here on earth. He will reign from Jerusalem for the next thousand years, beginning very soon.

I also believe many, those who are His, will escape the final wrath.

This is what my study has led me to believe. We differ in this regard, but in many other areas, I completely agree with what you've said, especially with the lamb prophecy timing.

And something, IIRC, I'd like to mention concerning it, is even more miraculous. This is that both Passover and the Crucifixion occurred during those years, which had 13 months.

A lot of mystery surrounds the end of age events as recorded in scripture. The danger is thinking we have it all figured out. Now is the time for believers to get their house in order. To clean up our act. And watch for our Master's return.

He promised He would return when we least expect it. Nighttime is mentioned many times, and winter. And the times would be like during the days of Noah. IMO these are all clues He left for us. Noah closed the door to the Ark, and the rains started on the seventeenth day of the second Jewish month.

So, this brings up an interesting and conflicting conclusion requiring two separate solutions. First, Christ comes when we least expect it, and second, he returns to save the remaining flesh from destruction. The latter, I believe, will be when the Jews, in Israel at the time of these wars, declare, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!" and He rescues the nation of Israel from final destruction.

The former, I believe, will be what some now call the rapture. Several scriptures back this conclusion. Such as found in Matt. 24:40 " Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left", and others.

Anyway, God bless you for sharing your thoughts and ideas. :)