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Could Cardinal Joseph Tobin be the first Irish-American pope?
Irish Central ^ | March 7, 2021 | Niall O'Dowd

Posted on 03/07/2021 4:41:36 PM PST by ebb tide

Could Cardinal Joseph Tobin be the first Irish-American pope?

The choice of Cardinal Joseph Tobin of New Jersey to the key Vatican Congregation of Bishops committee which is responsible for selecting bishops all over the world is a clear sign that Pope Francis may have greater things in store for the Irish American cardinal.

Indeed, like as there was with Boston’s Cardinal Sean O’Malley during the last papal election, the notion of Tobin becoming a strong candidate to succeed Francis as pope is clearly seen as a possibility.

The pope and Tobin are very close having first met at a 2005 Synod on the Eucharist and Tobin has become the eyes and ears for the pope in America where a right-wing slant still exists in the existing US congregation of bishops.

Tobin is leading the effort to liberalize the church in America and has gained the confidence of the pope in so doing.

The influence of Francis on the next convocation of cardinals selecting a new pope will be profound with the majority of cardinals far more pastoral than doctrinaire and they will be likely seeking one of their own to become pope.

Tobin would feature in any such discussion, a  broadly liked pastoral bishop who also knows the Roman system having spent years at the Vatican. His knowledge of the global church is immense as he comes from a missionary order, the Redemptorists.

Tobin has not been afraid to air his views, strongly criticizing the original US Bishop’s statement after the election of Joe Biden when the statement focused heavily on abortion, not that Biden was only the second elected Catholic in American history.

The right-wing slew of the American Catholic Church was never more evident than when New York’s powerful cardinal Timothy Dolan gave the opening blessing at the Republican convention.

In response to the criticism of Biden, Tobin noted he, personally, had far more trouble accepting Trump because of his treatment of immigrants among other issues,

At 68, he is at the best possible age to be “papabile” given that Francis is entering the later stage of his papacy at age 84.

Tobin is a Redemptorist priest who served in Rome as the head of his order and returned to the US in 2012 to become Archbishop of Indianapolis before being made a cardinal and relocating to Newark in 2016.

He is deeply proud of his Irish heritage which traces to County Kerry and often uses his own family’s struggles in coming to America as examples of why immigrants should be treated better.

Tobin laid bare those roots in an interview with the Catholic Standard at the height of the Dreamers debate in Washington involving whether young men and women brought to the US by their parents as children should be legalized.

He recalled how his grandmother, a native Irish speaker, spoke English, but always prayed in the language, because “she wasn’t quite sure that God understood English.”

When his parents offered to pay for his grandma to go back to visit Ireland, she would always say, “All I knew there was poverty. You go back."

Tobin said it was important for Catholics in America to remember, “Those are our roots.” In political cartoons in the late 19th century, around the time that many Catholic immigrants were coming to the United States, “We were the ones who were portrayed as apes and drunkards,” he said.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: antipope; asirishascoffee; countykerry; fakenews; fartyshadesofgreen; francischism; homopope; homos; homosexualagenda; irishcentral; josephtobin; newjersey; tobin
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To: glorgau
Then he would be called Pope Sicola. ;-)

I used to joke that we needed a French cardinal named Paris (pronounced French-style, Paree) so he could become Pope Paris (potpourri), but yours is better...

21 posted on 03/07/2021 5:37:53 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
He recalled how his grandmother, a native Irish speaker, spoke English, but always prayed in the language, because “she wasn’t quite sure that God understood English.” When his parents offered to pay for his grandma to go back to visit Ireland, she would always say, “All I knew there was poverty. You go back."

22 posted on 03/07/2021 5:56:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: DrPretorius

Coming to Newark Archdiocese: A Different Kind of Cardinal ...
www.nytimes.com › 2016/12/22 ›Dec 22, 2016 — Joseph W. Tobin drives himself around, lifts weights in the morning and is ... Cardinal Joseph W. Tobin lifting weights this month during a workout in ... highest-ranking Catholic, he protected pedophile priests,” ...


23 posted on 03/07/2021 6:02:22 PM PST by Bookshelf
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To: Bonemaker

Another McCarrick.


24 posted on 03/07/2021 6:08:16 PM PST by DrPretorius
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To: Bookshelf

It is tragic beyond belief to see what is happening in our country and throughout the world, and all of it is with the imprimatur of our apostate catholic church.


25 posted on 03/07/2021 6:11:20 PM PST by DrPretorius
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To: ebb tide
I doubt any American will ever be chosen as pope. Probably a lot of cardinals would be against the idea of an American pope, plus Americans tend to be weak on foreign languages. Tobin may be fluent in Italian if he spent a long time in Rome but does he know French or German or Spanish? How good is his Latin? He's too young to remember much of the time when Mass was always said in Latin or to have memorized the Latin phrases altar boys had to say.

County Kerry residents are targeted by other Irish with the kind of jokes we encounter as "dumb blonde" or "Texas Aggie" jokes.

26 posted on 03/07/2021 6:15:39 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

*** He’s too young to remember much of the time when Mass was always said in Latin or to have memorized the Latin phrases altar boys had to say.***

Ahem, I’m not a Joe Tobin fan, but he was born in 1952. I was born in 1960 and remember the Latin Mass quite fondly. Though I wasn’t an altar boy (girls weren’t allowed as altar servers when I was little), I did *practice* pretending to be one with my brother so he could fulfill his duties.


27 posted on 03/07/2021 7:40:39 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: ebb tide

A couple Pope’s ago they were talking about another possible American as pope.

He was a second cousin of mine who I’d only met once or twice. Dead now.


28 posted on 03/07/2021 8:04:28 PM PST by cyclotic (Live your life in such a way that they hate you as much as they hated Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Verginius Rufus

We already have an American Pope (South American): Jorge the Jesuit.


29 posted on 03/07/2021 8:35:28 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I still have a feeling it’s going to be Cardinal Sarah.


30 posted on 03/07/2021 8:43:31 PM PST by sean_og (--... ...--)
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To: FamiliarFace
Sorry. I thought that the article said he was 58. It says he is 68 so you are right, he would remember the Latin Mass (and not have known through much of grade school that its days were numbered--he would have been about 10 when Vatican II began).

But I still doubt an American will be chosen as pope--that is, someone from the USA.

31 posted on 03/07/2021 8:59:46 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: ebb tide

Any comments by Tobin agout this ?

The Vatican under the command of Pope Francis was busy rebuking ownership of firearms for personal protection as well as decrying islamist evangelical to Catholic conversion to the cheers of Islamic follower plus suppressing followers of the pre Vatican 2 liturgy form including the latin mass. But when it comes to other forms of mono theistic beliefs such as the One World Abu Dhabi Movement. Francis refuses to say one word disclaiming and decrying what practice adherents of the Islam code Sharia not only claim, but truly believe that God has authorized them to any evil means using force or decption used to convert is justified as well as kill those who refuse to submit to their version of Gods will .


32 posted on 03/07/2021 10:07:34 PM PST by mosesdapoet (AKA Lee J Keslin posting in the hopes comments get passed around )
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To: ebb tide

The RCC is becoming more like the Mafia.


33 posted on 03/08/2021 4:07:03 AM PST by fwdude (Pass up too many hills to die on, and you will eventually fall off the edge of the world.)
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